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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio now here's

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gene Steinberg with gene and Chris were

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Packard the para casts back at the old

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stand or the new stand depending on

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which stand you want last week we had a

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fascinating show with Stan Gordon

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Pennsylvania UFO and paranormal

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investigator and we made it very clear

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that it's not just the old sightings

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that are important compelling very

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detailed very fascinating UFO cases

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still occur to this very day it's not

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just all about the stuff that happened

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65 years ago and then we had someone in

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the power cast forums at forum doubt the

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power cast calm and that particular

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member was complaining that we emphasize

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too much about the older cases in my

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response I said well we had a couple of

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shows on Stephenville Texas we did

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O'Hare we've covered recent cases but

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this raises a larger question Chris

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O'Brien that is why aren't we so hung up

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on the stuff that happened all those

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years ago

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well obviously the more compelling cases

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out there Bentwaters Roswell Socorro

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these cases you know are very

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sensational and I think you know when

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you have a sensational case like the

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Phoenix lights or a case that's seen by

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you know a number of witnesses a group

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of people or large groups of people

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obviously they're going to garner more

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attention and people are going to be

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fascinated by them not only people that

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are involved in the field and in the

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research community but just the general

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public is going to get involved in it

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it starts a snowball of interest going

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down the hill we have cases that are

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being reported daily around the world

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and there are many good ones too that

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are being reported in other countries I

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think we need to have more people that

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are willing to do the the hard work of

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going out interviewing witnesses and

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actually doing the investigative work in

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the field to pull out more witnesses to

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to do the kind of legwork that needs to

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be done to properly document these these

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events

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and I think old cases you know they

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gather steam as time goes by more and

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more people are aware of them of course

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the big smelly R word is the the

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granddaddy of them all Roswell I applaud

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Kevin Randall's new effort that he

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started your so ago putting together a

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team of crack researchers and

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investigators and just starting from

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scratch with the Roswell case and and

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treating it like a cold case and then

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attempting to reinvestigate the case

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with a fresh pair of glasses I think

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this is probably the best approach I've

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heard in years relating to Roswell and I

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wish them all the luck I don't know how

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the heck they're gonna actually put

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aside all their preconceptions and all

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the you know the amazing amount of

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knowledge that they already have about

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the case but you know I I do applaud the

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the idea I think it's a good one and

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we'll just have to wait and see would be

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very interesting here if they are able

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to consider some of these alternative

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viewpoints and not just balloons test

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balloons but test aircraft yeah because

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I think that's a very compelling option

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for a lot of those early UFO cases no I

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we had Joseph Farrell on the show a

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number of weeks back and in his

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contention that there's a very

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tantalizing body of evidence that may

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suggest that Roswell in other early

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cases from the mid to late 40s could

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have been actually Nazi technology from

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South America or from someplace to south

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of the border here that were smuggled

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out of Germany and perfected and made

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operational and we're possibly

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responsible for some of the early waves

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of activity that we saw from 47 to 53 so

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you know there we need to look at all

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close system possibilities before we

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jump off planet I really do have a sense

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that you know even though it's very

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romantic to think that we're important

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enough for aliens to come and visit I

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have a bit of a problem with that

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scenario and as many of our listeners

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and forum posters already know and I

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think it's important that we exhaust all

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terrestrial possibilities before we jump

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off planet I think one of the things

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that we really have to consider here it

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the fact that such a large number of

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those early cases that we continue

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unfortunately to put into the category

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of either unexplained natural phenomena

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or spaceships and we can't look at the

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test aircraft scenario especially

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considering back in the late 40s after

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World War two we bring onboard all those

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German scientists who were pioneers in

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our space program and the v2 rocket and

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all that stuff and we seldom consider

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hey wait a minute folks what about this

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test aircraft we wouldn't revealed what

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it was all about right

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I love the recent revelation of our

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secret flying saucer program that was

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actually Canadian I think it's the Avro

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saucer that the silly footage that that

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they have this thing wobbling two feet

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off the ground and they finally

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Declassified the documents about this

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flying saucer project I mean talk about

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you know kind of thinking that the

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research community is dead between the

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years I mean that that's him he is is

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quite disingenuous and I really do have

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a sense that the state of the art in in

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exotic propulsion and in technology is

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will light years ahead of where the

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government and military and aerospace

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companies are admitting so I do think

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that's a fruitful potential avenue of

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research and go a long way to explain a

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lot well of course I guess sequestration

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this new budget cutting thing that's

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taking effect a few days after the show

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is aired in the US where there will be

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severe military cutbacks will that cut

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back top-secret research no they'll

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always find ways to steal money from

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other projects yeah that's that's for

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sure you know that the black budget is

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going to be wouldn't be alive and well

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you know it's interesting we do spend as

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much money I think I've recently seen

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the figure that we spend as much money

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on the military and defense as the rest

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of the world combined if that's true I

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think we have our priorities a little

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bit of bass-ackwards

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well maybe but the figure I heard was

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the next 10 countries combined so

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therefore Russia China and all these

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other countries if you took the next 10

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after the US and took their military

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budgets combined them we spend more

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still by the way we have a special event

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where you'll be able to find us if

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you're lucky yeah the International UFO

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Congress comes to Arizona at the end of

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the month yes and we're gonna be present

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and accounted for but some fascinating

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things are gonna happen

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yeah one of the one of the people that

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or actually two people that we'd like to

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to see if we can get on the air from the

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Congress is the Navajo Rangers I got the

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lone Ranger's this is the Navajo Ranger

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the Navajo Rangers exactly they're okay

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law enforcement investigators who have

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recently come out and started talking

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about some of the high strange cases

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that they've been investigating on the

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Navajo reservation over the years these

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include obviously UFO sightings of

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Bigfoot sightings reports of skinwalkers

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and other in crypto creatures these guys

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are very have some very interesting

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information that they're starting to

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share with the outside world outside of

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the native reservation population there

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and and they're gonna be down at the UFO

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Congress we'd love to get them on the

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show and which kind of dovetails nicely

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into our guest today already know six

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killer Clark who has just released a

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book on anomalous books that has a bunch

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of really fascinating stories in it and

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we're gonna be going through some of

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these accounts with her and and finding

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out a little bit more about her

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background and and asking some tough

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questions I'll tell you something I was

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looking over our forums that formed off

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the power cast come under question Bank

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and we have a whole area there under the

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title encounters with Star people

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questions for our d6 killer Clark and

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there are lots of questions pretty tough

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questions too yes yep yep it's a book

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that doesn't have a single person listed

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as a on the record witness so we're

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gonna have to kind of do a little bit of

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digging here to find out you know let's

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just kind of dig around a little bit on

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some of these accounts some of them are

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pretty fantastic so this is gonna be

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interesting of course they all feature

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reports that come from Native Americans

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many of them are on Native American

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reservations these events and she's done

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quite a bit of legwork over the years

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compiling a lot of these stories but

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then there's stories so we're gonna have

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to find out what her thinking is about

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these accounts and why she chose to use

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the approach that she did her name rt6

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killer Clark joining Jeana and Chris

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you're in the para cast attack of the

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rocket has been well received by critics

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and readers alike it's a thrill a minute

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story you'll never forget a former US

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military intelligence officer is haunted

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by intense dreams about a beautiful

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woman pleading for his help after a

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terrible battle in outer space but the

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dreams turn out to be true and thrust

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him into a telepathic love affair with a

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woman who's faraway planet is intent on

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destroying the earth and now the

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special guest well I'm really looking

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forward to speaking with and rt6 killer

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Clarke is here and we're going to be

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discussing Native American star people

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traditions and a whole slew of reports

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that she's published in her recent book

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on anomalous books and we're going to be

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talking about how difficult it is number

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one to investigate this particular realm

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and especially on Native American

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reservations or Indian Reservation so

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that term Native American versus Indian

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you mentioned at the front of your book

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that there's that you've decided to use

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the term Indian you want to explain your

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thinking a little bit on that because I

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I guess you know prior to recording the

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show here we were talking about this

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once you fill our audience in a little

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bit well you know over the years when

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you've been in a group of people and you

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describe yourself as a Native American

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we always have people say well I'm a

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Native American too because I was born

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here and a few years ago a group of

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American Indian researchers came

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together and decided that in our writing

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our research we would refer to tribal

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groups in general as American Indians

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rather than American Indians and we made

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that decision based upon the fact that

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Native American the term Native American

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was increasingly claimed by those who

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were born within the United States

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regardless of their ethnicity and was

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you know the most well known Lakota

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journalist and publisher Kim Diego you

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know he published a Lakota times Indian

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country today

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native son news I quote him in the book

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and saying that you know we realized

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that Indian is a misnomer but for

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generic purposes we are forced to use it

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when speaking of many different tribes

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and he said any politically correct

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thinker who believes Native American is

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the preferred identification tags for

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Lakota

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or any other tribe is wrong most of us

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do not object to the use of Indian or

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American Indian and as I said Native

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Americans can be used by any American

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native to this land and so that's why so

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many of us who are researchers and

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writers have chosen to use American

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Indian and I was frankly surprised at

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the angry response I got from people

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because I explained that in the book why

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I was doing it and it's been a standard

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for a number of years with native

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writers to do just that this is to use

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the term American Indian instead of

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Native American hence the subtitle of

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your book the book is called encounters

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with star people untold stories of

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American Indians so right up front

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you're making that the Declaration now

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clifford mahooty is a Zuni elder friend

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of mine and he uses the term Indian very

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nonchalantly and and considers it

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politically correct so that's it's a

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good point I I'm a Native American I was

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born here so you know my native friends

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cause ourselves Indians I mean you know

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I call myself an Indian so you know I

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but I'm not sure why I generated so much

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anger you know among some people but

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thank you for giving me the opportunity

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to explain that it is in the book but

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apparently a lot of people aren't

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reading that yeah you can't judge a book

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by its cover and if you use the term

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American Indians that's a that can I

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guess tweak certain people's politically

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correct sort of view on on indigenous

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American culture or or Indian culture

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and I think the term obviously is is was

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ascribed to Native peoples when the

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Europeans first arrived because they

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were looking for the Spice Islands and

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they were

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thought that they had arrived in Indian

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Asia when I speak to I use native an

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Indian interchangeably you know I mean I

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just do that it you know out of just the

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way I was raised you know but and my

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friends but for a book I wanted to make

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that distinction and and that's why I

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did it

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okay well let's let's move on now that

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we've kind of got our terms there are

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terms sort of defined here a little bit

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and we understand why you've chosen this

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particular term and it's important to

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make the distinction once you give us a

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little background about yourself your

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education where you went to school

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of course you you were a professor

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emeritus at Montana State University

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give us a sense of your background what

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is your doctorate in my doctorate is an

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educational leadership and I was a

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director of the Center for bilingual

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multicultural education and a professor

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of educational leadership at Montana

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State University but my background also

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I have degrees in psychology history and

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English so you know through the years

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I've played many roles in education

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because I've been a high school English

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teacher I've been a administrator I've

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been a psychologist and when I came to

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MSU I became a professor of educational

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leadership and and the director of the

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Center for bilingual multicultural

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education and my role aver was it was

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not only to write grants to get funding

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for native programs but to go out into

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the field and to recruit native students

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to come to Montana State University and

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to study to become teachers principals

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or superintendents because back when I

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first came to Montana State University

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you could hardly find an American Indian

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teacher on any of the reservations and

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if you did it was only one or two so our

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goal was to is to help Native people

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become teachers and by doing that

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wrote federal grants to get money for

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scholarships so they could afford to

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come to school and so that's the reason

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why I was off campus out you know

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recruiting students and that that's

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where I heard many of these stories yeah

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and we're gonna get to those stories

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obviously here in depth one of the

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things I think we should point out is

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that American Indian the educational

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system was completely appropriated by

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the United States government and

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students were taken input into Indian

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schools for decades and in many cases a

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Catholic Church for most part well yes

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run by the church and by the government

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in right well one thing people should

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understand is many of these programs

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gave a rather skewed propagandized for

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lack of a better term history of of the

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culture that these Montana State

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University was was to try to get

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teachers and leaders into the school

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system who were American Indians so that

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that the children would have role models

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that somebody looked like them had gone

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to college and had succeeded and and we

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succeeded in doing that I mean over the

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years I've spent at Montana State

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University I head over I would say at

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least five hundred students get

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bachelor's master's and doctoral degrees

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through scholarship funding that I was

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there must be fun these days and I'm

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saying that sarcastically to get

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anything from the federal government

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what with all the cutbacks and we were

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mentioning that earlier we've got to do

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this break right now Artie we have dr.

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rd6 killer Clark joining gene and Chris

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hi my name is Richard Dolan you're

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we have our d6 killer Clark joining Jim

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Chris on the power cast her latest title

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star people subtitled untold stories of

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American Indians and there's so much

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ground to cover - Chris and I want to

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get into it getting past this thing but

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I raise the political question already

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before we did the break event is about

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getting grants in this day and age where

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it seems the government is hostile to

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education how do you survive well of

628
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course I've been retired now for six

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years so you know I'm not out there in

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that arena competing for those federal

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dollars I'm not sure if there are any

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programs today that you know that are

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available I know that there are a few

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but probably not to the extent they were

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available when I was in working in the

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field because I would you know there

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were times that I had as many as a

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hundred students that were on

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scholarship going to to Montana State

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and one of the interesting things will

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be I had at one point I had a I had a

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scholarship program for secondary

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teachers for math and science and I went

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out and recruited because we didn't have

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any math and science teachers on the

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reservations who were native and I went

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out recruiting students and I got some

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excellent students and out of the group

649
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60% of them us a teaching field when

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they discovered they could make it in

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math and science

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having university level and they became

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engineers and scientists and saw those

654
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sorts of things because they realized

655
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that there was a whole world out there

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where they could use the skills they had

657
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and it never so we lost some great

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teachers there but at least they are out

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there working in the fields let's move

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to the book now how did you come to

661
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begin to explore so-called

662
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mysteries involving star people why take

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these stories seriously as something

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more than folklore well you know my

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first

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counter when I came to Montana State

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University with his subject was I had

668
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been out on a recruiting trip and the

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gentleman who helped me on his

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reservation after the the I met with a

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group of students and and he and I had

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dinner and he said to me said you know

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if you've got some time I'd like to show

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you something I like and so he way up in

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the mountains above his village and we

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sat on a rock and he pulled out a

677
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binoculars and he says if we're lucky

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they'll come and I said who and he said

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well the start of people the ancestors

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and I sat there and listened and we

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watched and and they didn't come but he

682
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said that he frequently came to the site

683
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and watched the skies and waited for

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them to come and so it occurred to me

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that if if this was something that that

686
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this tribal group believed perhaps there

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were others so I came back to the

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University and I was talking to another

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Native faculty member and he said well

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yes he said we have many stories about

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the stars and the star people visiting

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us in ancient times and so he started

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telling me the old legends so I thought

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well you know is that traveled around

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and I would have free time I would

696
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simply ask people do you know any UFO

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00:31:07,650 --> 00:31:05,110
stories or do you know of anyone who's

698
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had experiences that people started

699
00:31:13,500 --> 00:31:11,260
opening up and over the years you know

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people got to know me really well and

701
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came forth and started telling me

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stories that had happened to them as far

703
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as as far as authenticity or

704
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truthfulness I never doubted the stories

705
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that I was told I don't know I I believe

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that I can tell the difference between

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somebody who's sincere and somebody

708
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:42,420
have a pretty good read on people and I

709
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walked with these people and I talked

710
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with these people and I believe their

711
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stories okay now of course raises the

712
00:31:54,420 --> 00:31:51,190
big quandary here is how do we take

713
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these stories and find any evidence for

714
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them or is it possible or is all the

715
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evidence based on the testimony I think

716
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the evidence is based on their testimony

717
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because I made a commitment to them when

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they told me the stories that I would

719
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not reveal where it happened or who they

720
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were and I have tried to be very careful

721
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about that because none of them were

722
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seeking fame none of them wanted money

723
00:32:25,919 --> 00:32:21,700
none of them wanted people coming to

724
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their reservation and looking for proof

725
00:32:33,090 --> 00:32:27,940
because they just didn't want that to

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happen and I respected that I wrote the

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stories as they told me and I know you

728
00:32:42,930 --> 00:32:39,820
know I'm a social scientist I listen to

729
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:42,940
stories and to people and I record what

730
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they tell me I'm not a hard scientist

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that has to have you know physical

732
00:32:59,700 --> 00:32:57,190
evidence and so that's that's the only

733
00:33:01,260 --> 00:32:59,710
explanation I can give you I believe the

734
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people let's look at some of the stories

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here because there's some fascinating

736
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tales and so many of them remind us of

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things that are common in the UFO field

738
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and I'm considering for example chapter

739
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one of your book the title is missing

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time which of course is something that

741
00:33:22,500 --> 00:33:19,900
is generally considered to relate to UFO

742
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abductions so in writing a chapter on

743
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missing time is that what you were

744
00:33:28,860 --> 00:33:26,620
talking about well yes I mean that's

745
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:28,870
exactly what happened to this couple is

746
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that they lost time and not remembering

747
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anything that had happened to them they

748
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:38,320
came upon if you recall they came upon a

749
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place where there was cattle mutilation

750
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and the man being a police officer gets

751
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out to investigate

752
00:33:55,889 --> 00:33:51,879
and then finds no evidence that it was

753
00:33:56,639 --> 00:33:55,899
the act of vandals or rustlers or

754
00:34:00,299 --> 00:33:56,649
thieves

755
00:34:02,820 --> 00:34:00,309
instead he finds very meticulous like

756
00:34:05,639 --> 00:34:02,830
surgery or operations on these animals

757
00:34:08,550 --> 00:34:05,649
he finds no footprints no evidence it

758
00:34:11,730 --> 00:34:08,560
was the animals were in relatively tall

759
00:34:16,169 --> 00:34:11,740
grass around them no place where the

760
00:34:19,770 --> 00:34:16,179
where the grass had been disturbed other

761
00:34:22,889 --> 00:34:19,780
than where these animals were and so he

762
00:34:26,030 --> 00:34:22,899
gets back in his car and that's when

763
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:26,040
they he and his wife see the UFO and

764
00:34:33,329 --> 00:34:31,210
then they lose time when they and don't

765
00:34:36,540 --> 00:34:33,339
realize it until they get to their

766
00:34:38,579 --> 00:34:36,550
destination they they drive to their

767
00:34:42,389 --> 00:34:38,589
destination and suddenly discover that

768
00:34:44,190 --> 00:34:42,399
they have lost several hours of time now

769
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without going into details that you

770
00:34:50,190 --> 00:34:46,270
can't reveal because of the promise not

771
00:34:52,379 --> 00:34:50,200
to identify these people can you give us

772
00:34:56,220 --> 00:34:52,389
an approximation of when it happened and

773
00:35:03,059 --> 00:34:56,230
where well I'll tell you it happened in

774
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Montana and it happened I would say

775
00:35:10,950 --> 00:35:06,460
within five years okay so it's a recent

776
00:35:13,230 --> 00:35:10,960
case yeah yeah now as far as the missing

777
00:35:15,359 --> 00:35:13,240
time is concerned has anything been done

778
00:35:18,980 --> 00:35:15,369
to recover the memories that you can

779
00:35:22,290 --> 00:35:18,990
tell us about our listeners oh no

780
00:35:24,780 --> 00:35:22,300
nothing and the people I talked to

781
00:35:30,359 --> 00:35:24,790
weren't interested in that because they

782
00:35:32,780 --> 00:35:30,369
for most of the of the Encounters most

783
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:32,790
of the people had a had a clear

784
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:37,690
perception of what happened this couple

785
00:35:43,319 --> 00:35:40,810
knew what happened they just didn't know

786
00:35:47,309 --> 00:35:43,329
what happened during that period of time

787
00:35:50,790 --> 00:35:47,319
when they could you know that was

788
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:50,800
missing they were fully aware of seeing

789
00:35:55,770 --> 00:35:53,890
the mutilated cattle they were and and

790
00:36:00,380 --> 00:35:55,780
the interesting thing of it was that

791
00:36:10,790 --> 00:36:03,760
but the cattle became missing against

792
00:36:12,650 --> 00:36:10,800
and and so you know it's it's these

793
00:36:17,950 --> 00:36:12,660
individuals aren't interested in

794
00:36:20,810 --> 00:36:17,960
submitting to a psychologist and and or

795
00:36:24,820 --> 00:36:20,820
you know some kind of regression or

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whatever we have our D six killer Clark

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joining us this week and she has a

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fascinating book called encounters with

799
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star people and this is not stuff that

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happened necessarily 2,000 years ago but

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very recently some of the stuff with

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about the star people but just

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encounters of a long time ago but

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encounters that are quite recent and

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quite relevant to UFO research now these

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people are you able to tell us roughly

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what line of business are in or anything

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about their background or you'd rather

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not

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you mean the individuals who are

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introduced

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you mean the individuals was missing

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kind yes one was a police officer the

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other one was a teacher okay regular

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people oh very reputable people right

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regular and reputable right and they're

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not looking for publicity which is very

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important that I'm looking to sell a

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story they're not looking to go before

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the International UFO Congress and do a

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series of lectures yeah I'm kind of

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scratching my head here you know

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thinking about the the discovery of a

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you know what appears to be a mutilated

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head of livestock and then in the same

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sort of event they see what they

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perceived as some sort of unidentified

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flying object did you get more

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descriptions of the object from them did

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did it maneuver how close did it get to

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them are there any more details that we

929
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have about this particular sighting you

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know they talked about about seeing the

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craft but it was such a bright light

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hovering over them that they had no

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because they were unable to describe it

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because I asked him that and and they

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she discovers that her cellphone isn't

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working because she's trying to call her

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brother because their vehicle won't

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start they're trying to get out of there

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and their vehicle won't start so she's

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trying to call her brother because she

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thinks you know if I can get ahold of

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him he's just gonna drive out here and

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get

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that's the last thing they remember you

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know and and so essentially what they're

946
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what they're describing is a bright

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light we don't really know if it's some

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sort of what appears to be some sort of

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you know extraterrestrial ship or

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something it could have been possibly a

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silent helicopter pulsing down some sort

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of electromagnetic beam to maybe render

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the engine ignition inert or something

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so they really they don't have any

955
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recollection of any details of the

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actual object that was shining this

957
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bright light on them is that correct

958
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that is correct but on the other hand

959
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how many times have you heard of

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that's the story I reported you know

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there's we have over 300 cases of

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helicopters being sighted in and around

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mutilation sites since the early 70s the

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father of mute ology if you want to I

965
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wouldn't want that term applied to me

966
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but Tom Adams who's been investigating

967
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or who investigated these cases from

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1970 to ninety two 2000 compiled 250

969
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reports of helicopter sightings in and

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around mutilation sites and since then

971
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there's been you know the book ended in

972
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the late 80s and during the 90s we had a

973
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whole slew of other reports that were

974
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filed so helicopters have been seen in

975
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conjunction with these with these cases

976
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not directly involved except for a

977
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couple of rare cases where animals were

978
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seen slung underneath helicopters being

979
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ferried somewhere we've also had

980
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:03,220
evidence of of skid marks from from

981
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helicopters setting down in fields where

982
00:45:11,849 --> 00:45:08,020
Calvin discovered in a mutilated

983
00:45:15,690 --> 00:45:11,859
condition we've also had the type of

984
00:45:19,829 --> 00:45:15,700
downdraft evidence flipped over cow pies

985
00:45:22,500 --> 00:45:19,839
you know grass and other plants

986
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flattened from from wind

987
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it's it's interesting this guy was a was

988
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a law enforcement official so you would

989
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think that he would be you know being a

990
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trained observer that he would be fairly

991
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accurate in his you know his what if

992
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sort of scenarios so you know you know

993
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as you can see I'm not very well-versed

994
00:45:50,970 --> 00:45:47,500
in ufology because I did I wasn't aware

995
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of that and and it probably he wasn't

996
00:46:02,520 --> 00:45:54,220
either because he assumed that it was a

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UFO and I didn't give you yeah in the

998
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midst of not in cascade my approach was

999
00:46:14,940 --> 00:46:11,950
not to argue with these people not to

1000
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doubt these people to record their

1001
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:17,950
stories that's what I did let me ask you

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00:46:21,540 --> 00:46:20,170
a question though in talking to these

1003
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people did you ever get the impression

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that some of them maybe very few were

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just telling stories and not relating

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actual Encounters of one sort or another

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00:46:38,790 --> 00:46:36,880
not the group that were in the book so

1008
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that's saying that some didn't make it

1009
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to the book for another reason

1010
00:46:47,370 --> 00:46:43,150
well I interviewed over nine other

1011
00:46:55,140 --> 00:46:47,380
people and I mean I have interviews of

1012
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:55,150
over 900 people and some of them the

1013
00:47:00,930 --> 00:46:57,370
stories were just typical you know I saw

1014
00:47:04,110 --> 00:47:00,940
this UFO in the sky and it you know and

1015
00:47:08,610 --> 00:47:04,120
it zipped across and it did this and it

1016
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:08,620
did that and and those were not but and

1017
00:47:16,110 --> 00:47:12,490
you know it I don't know if they were if

1018
00:47:19,310 --> 00:47:16,120
it was something they saw or not but it

1019
00:47:21,630 --> 00:47:19,320
didn't merit going into the book but

1020
00:47:23,910 --> 00:47:21,640
what about people who told you a story

1021
00:47:26,700 --> 00:47:23,920
and you wondered you know what maybe

1022
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:26,710
this wasn't what they thought it was or

1023
00:47:30,980 --> 00:47:29,290
they're telling me a story I never

1024
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:30,990
thought anybody was telling me a story

1025
00:47:35,030 --> 00:47:32,170
okay

1026
00:47:43,100 --> 00:47:35,040
just want to check into that yeah never

1027
00:47:45,770 --> 00:47:43,110
that way I'm I'm curious as to where did

1028
00:47:47,660 --> 00:47:45,780
the majority of these stories originate

1029
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:47,670
which particular part of the country I

1030
00:47:52,820 --> 00:47:51,330
know you traveled extensively through

1031
00:47:54,740 --> 00:47:52,830
that through the time period where you

1032
00:47:56,780 --> 00:47:54,750
were compiling all these interviews and

1033
00:48:00,800 --> 00:47:56,790
stories did you see any sort of

1034
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:00,810
correlation between location between a

1035
00:48:08,150 --> 00:48:03,810
particular reservation or part of the

1036
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:08,160
country was there was there was it was

1037
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:10,170
it pretty evenly distributed in terms of

1038
00:48:17,210 --> 00:48:12,810
these accounts or did you see centers of

1039
00:48:25,490 --> 00:48:17,220
activity or hotspot areas I'm trying to

1040
00:48:29,270 --> 00:48:25,500
think I don't believe so I because I did

1041
00:48:34,340 --> 00:48:29,280
I traveled all over the country there I

1042
00:48:36,050 --> 00:48:34,350
saw more in the West more stories came

1043
00:48:38,780 --> 00:48:36,060
out of the West but of course I live in

1044
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:38,790
the West and frequented the western

1045
00:48:48,260 --> 00:48:44,090
reservations were the more isolated a

1046
00:48:51,980 --> 00:48:48,270
reservation was the more likely there

1047
00:48:54,620 --> 00:48:51,990
were stories that's nothing so the more

1048
00:48:57,410 --> 00:48:54,630
remote locations right tended to

1049
00:49:00,970 --> 00:48:57,420
generate more remote the individuals in

1050
00:49:04,460 --> 00:49:00,980
remote sections they lived in you know

1051
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:04,470
you go to Montana and South Dakota North

1052
00:49:09,890 --> 00:49:06,810
Dakota and some of the states out here

1053
00:49:13,570 --> 00:49:09,900
out here in the West and then even

1054
00:49:18,500 --> 00:49:13,580
Arizona you're talking about

1055
00:49:23,540 --> 00:49:18,510
reservations that are that are so

1056
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:23,550
isolated and so remote especially some

1057
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:26,610
of the people who live there that you

1058
00:49:33,170 --> 00:49:29,970
know I mean it's just you know you could

1059
00:49:36,020 --> 00:49:33,180
understand why these encounters would

1060
00:49:39,620 --> 00:49:36,030
happen in places like that yeah 60 miles

1061
00:49:41,470 --> 00:49:39,630
to the nearest grocery store or

1062
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:41,480
convenient mark

1063
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:44,210
well and if you can find a convenient

1064
00:49:49,750 --> 00:49:45,650
Mart autoregulation

1065
00:49:53,349 --> 00:49:49,760
you know it's it's some of the you know

1066
00:49:55,329 --> 00:49:53,359
the reservations are in remote sections

1067
00:49:57,730 --> 00:49:55,339
of the states anyway I mean they're not

1068
00:49:59,680 --> 00:49:57,740
in the areas where there's lots of

1069
00:50:04,270 --> 00:49:59,690
people because the government didn't

1070
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:04,280
then place Indian reservations at on

1071
00:50:11,980 --> 00:50:06,650
desirable land they replaced him in

1072
00:50:15,819 --> 00:50:11,990
remote areas away from population

1073
00:50:18,579 --> 00:50:15,829
centers and so the the areas are visited

1074
00:50:22,690 --> 00:50:18,589
many of them are very remote and many of

1075
00:50:24,970 --> 00:50:22,700
them I had to drive her miles and you

1076
00:50:25,690 --> 00:50:24,980
know when I'd hear somebody had a story

1077
00:50:27,910 --> 00:50:25,700
to tell

1078
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:27,920
and sometimes I would come upon a story

1079
00:50:32,349 --> 00:50:29,890
that I wasn't even expecting

1080
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:32,359
yeah oftentimes those are the best ones

1081
00:50:38,050 --> 00:50:35,930
I found yeah the ones that just happened

1082
00:50:40,060 --> 00:50:38,060
happened long you know some may be a

1083
00:50:42,099 --> 00:50:40,070
neighbor's there and you're interviewing

1084
00:50:46,500 --> 00:50:42,109
one person that never goes wow you think

1085
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:50,559
that I went there to buy a drum and then

1086
00:50:55,599 --> 00:50:52,490
he begins to tell me the story about

1087
00:50:58,900 --> 00:50:55,609
this this craft that hovers over his

1088
00:51:02,440 --> 00:50:58,910
property and lowers an automobile with

1089
00:51:04,839 --> 00:51:02,450
these people that look like humans but

1090
00:51:07,690 --> 00:51:04,849
he doesn't believe they are humans and

1091
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:07,700
he thinks that you know and then his

1092
00:51:13,510 --> 00:51:11,210
story was later cooperated by by a

1093
00:51:15,579 --> 00:51:13,520
friend of his then it's seen the same

1094
00:51:17,710 --> 00:51:15,589
thing happened on the property I'm going

1095
00:51:20,050 --> 00:51:17,720
to ask you by the way just silly

1096
00:51:22,359 --> 00:51:20,060
question when we get back after our

1097
00:51:25,599 --> 00:51:22,369
break a kind of automobile or

1098
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automobiles were dropped we have a

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[Applause]

1156
00:54:04,390 --> 00:54:00,089
welcome back to the para cast the gold

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00:54:12,499 --> 00:54:04,400
standard of paranormal radio and now

1158
00:54:14,359 --> 00:54:12,509
here's Jane Steinberg fascinating

1159
00:54:17,930 --> 00:54:14,369
stories about encounters with star

1160
00:54:21,109 --> 00:54:17,940
people with rt6 killer Clark dr. Clark

1161
00:54:23,299 --> 00:54:21,119
that's a silly question I asked a car

1162
00:54:25,910 --> 00:54:23,309
being dropped with people or beings in

1163
00:54:29,509 --> 00:54:25,920
them what kind of cars well he said they

1164
00:54:33,019 --> 00:54:29,519
were big black cars and you'd have to

1165
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:33,029
know Leland Leland didn't own a car he

1166
00:54:38,269 --> 00:54:34,890
didn't know much about cars he never

1167
00:54:42,229 --> 00:54:38,279
really left his little cabin and a

1168
00:54:44,979 --> 00:54:42,239
little home place there and so he just

1169
00:54:47,900 --> 00:54:44,989
said they were big black cars yeah I

1170
00:54:50,989 --> 00:54:47,910
find this particular account one of the

1171
00:54:52,430 --> 00:54:50,999
more compelling stories in the book why

1172
00:54:54,829 --> 00:54:52,440
don't you give us a quick thumbnail

1173
00:54:57,739 --> 00:54:54,839
sketch of some of the other details of

1174
00:54:59,299 --> 00:54:57,749
this where the the automobile was let

1175
00:55:02,809 --> 00:54:59,309
down and I think he took you out there

1176
00:55:07,190 --> 00:55:02,819
and you actually saw the tracks right

1177
00:55:10,519 --> 00:55:07,200
the circle on the ground and and where

1178
00:55:13,130 --> 00:55:10,529
nothing was growing and I saw the tire

1179
00:55:16,299 --> 00:55:13,140
tracks through his field and he didn't

1180
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:16,309
own a car there were no cars around and

1181
00:55:24,769 --> 00:55:23,249
he said that that one time as they were

1182
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:24,779
going through the field they had a flat

1183
00:55:31,819 --> 00:55:29,249
tire and the driver of the detail and he

1184
00:55:34,249 --> 00:55:31,829
had to go fix it for he went out and

1185
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:34,259
fixed the tire and I asked him to

1186
00:55:40,309 --> 00:55:37,410
describe the man or the being and he

1187
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:40,319
said well he couldn't really tell much

1188
00:55:45,739 --> 00:55:42,450
about him because it was dark and he had

1189
00:55:49,940 --> 00:55:45,749
this hat and collar pulled up but he

1190
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:49,950
said he looked like he had no neck and I

1191
00:55:55,579 --> 00:55:52,170
found that extremely interesting you

1192
00:55:59,599 --> 00:55:55,589
know and then he he goes on and tells me

1193
00:56:02,569 --> 00:55:59,609
how he had to get the people out of the

1194
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:02,579
the beams out of the car so he could

1195
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:04,650
Jack it up and after he finished they

1196
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:08,490
gave him ten silver dollars and

1197
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:12,850
and so he took it he took took these

1198
00:56:21,060 --> 00:56:17,890
silver dollars and he he he said I

1199
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:21,070
caught a ride he said over the over the

1200
00:56:27,330 --> 00:56:24,570
state line he said took him and I I

1201
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:27,340
found a place and I said how much were

1202
00:56:32,820 --> 00:56:29,770
you give me for these and he said I sold

1203
00:56:35,100 --> 00:56:32,830
none of them but I kept one and he

1204
00:56:38,430 --> 00:56:35,110
reached in his pocket and he pulled it

1205
00:56:42,020 --> 00:56:38,440
out and he handed it to me and now I

1206
00:56:46,110 --> 00:56:42,030
have that silver dollar by the way that

1207
00:56:51,090 --> 00:56:46,120
was it it was in the night early 1900s

1208
00:56:53,220 --> 00:56:51,100
like 1920 23 I think it is so it was an

1209
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:53,230
old old silver dollar and did it look

1210
00:57:00,390 --> 00:56:55,690
tarnished and look used was a worn oh

1211
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:00,400
yeah yeah he's worn and and that that

1212
00:57:04,170 --> 00:57:02,290
was his pride and joy but he kept saying

1213
00:57:06,750 --> 00:57:04,180
I wish they would come back so I could

1214
00:57:08,150 --> 00:57:06,760
and have another flat tire maybe I could

1215
00:57:10,830 --> 00:57:08,160
make some more money

1216
00:57:12,660 --> 00:57:10,840
yeah the other detail that I found

1217
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:12,670
curious too was the people in the back

1218
00:57:17,940 --> 00:57:15,490
seat seemed to be afraid of him and then

1219
00:57:19,850 --> 00:57:17,950
they they kind of huddled away and if he

1220
00:57:23,070 --> 00:57:19,860
would get near they'd move away from him

1221
00:57:24,930 --> 00:57:23,080
right and he said he talked about the

1222
00:57:27,410 --> 00:57:24,940
women he said they acted like they

1223
00:57:30,180 --> 00:57:27,420
didn't know how to walk in those shoes

1224
00:57:33,450 --> 00:57:30,190
and I thought that was interesting too

1225
00:57:36,660 --> 00:57:33,460
so the inference here is that we have

1226
00:57:38,790 --> 00:57:36,670
aliens walking around among us if that's

1227
00:57:40,170 --> 00:57:38,800
what indeed they were if we can take

1228
00:57:42,150 --> 00:57:40,180
this story at face value

1229
00:57:44,010 --> 00:57:42,160
what was his thinking about this how

1230
00:57:47,550 --> 00:57:44,020
many times did this occur when and what

1231
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:47,560
time period are we talking about well he

1232
00:57:56,070 --> 00:57:52,050
died I spent about eight years now

1233
00:58:00,060 --> 00:57:56,080
so he said that it has been occurring

1234
00:58:05,100 --> 00:58:00,070
for several years that he had been seen

1235
00:58:07,260 --> 00:58:05,110
this happen so and and and and they

1236
00:58:10,070 --> 00:58:07,270
believe he and his buddy believe that

1237
00:58:14,070 --> 00:58:10,080
that's what was happening that literally

1238
00:58:17,550 --> 00:58:14,080
aliens were infiltrating the earth and

1239
00:58:21,329 --> 00:58:17,560
he says and I want you to make sure you

1240
00:58:24,299 --> 00:58:21,339
tell this story yeah some of our

1241
00:58:25,650 --> 00:58:24,309
ethics at forum dr. Peric ask.com are

1242
00:58:29,269 --> 00:58:25,660
really going to have a problem with this

1243
00:58:31,940 --> 00:58:29,279
particular account of some sort of craft

1244
00:58:38,969 --> 00:58:31,950
depositing automobiles with

1245
00:58:42,029 --> 00:58:38,979
human-looking short-necked black

1246
00:58:44,579 --> 00:58:42,039
automobiles I mean you know I heard

1247
00:58:45,870 --> 00:58:44,589
strangest stories over the years but

1248
00:58:48,140 --> 00:58:45,880
what this one would would definitely

1249
00:58:50,940 --> 00:58:48,150
rate up there as one of the stranger

1250
00:58:52,950 --> 00:58:50,950
accounts it's almost like we have men

1251
00:58:55,769 --> 00:58:52,960
and ladies in black that are being

1252
00:58:57,599 --> 00:58:55,779
deposited in remote locations on an

1253
00:58:59,609 --> 00:58:57,609
Indian Reservation to be infiltrated

1254
00:59:01,739 --> 00:58:59,619
into the culture it's it's it's

1255
00:59:04,529 --> 00:59:01,749
difficult for I think some people to

1256
00:59:06,599 --> 00:59:04,539
suspend their disbelief to the extent to

1257
00:59:09,450 --> 00:59:06,609
actually accept this story at face value

1258
00:59:11,729 --> 00:59:09,460
but how well did you know Leyland well I

1259
00:59:17,309 --> 00:59:11,739
got to know him very well over over the

1260
00:59:19,709 --> 00:59:17,319
time that that I first met him every

1261
00:59:22,099 --> 00:59:19,719
time I would go to the reservation I

1262
00:59:25,620 --> 00:59:22,109
also see him and spend time with him and

1263
00:59:29,190 --> 00:59:25,630
cook his dinner and and take him some

1264
00:59:32,219 --> 00:59:29,200
groceries but you know I heard another

1265
00:59:38,729 --> 00:59:32,229
story that was it wasn't like Leland's

1266
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:38,739
but I was I was in Alaska and I had told

1267
00:59:50,969 --> 00:59:43,450
some people in this community that was

1268
00:59:54,959 --> 00:59:50,979
basically a Native community that well

1269
00:59:59,400 --> 00:59:54,969
not they I think it was more like 80%

1270
01:00:02,609 --> 00:59:59,410
native and 20% non-native and I had

1271
01:00:04,709 --> 01:00:02,619
mentioned this I went out to lunch with

1272
01:00:07,890 --> 01:00:04,719
some people in the school district and I

1273
01:00:10,349 --> 01:00:07,900
mentioned it to some of them what I was

1274
01:00:12,539 --> 01:00:10,359
doing and this woman said well are you

1275
01:00:15,239 --> 01:00:12,549
interested in stories from a white

1276
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:15,249
person and I said I'm always interested

1277
01:00:24,930 --> 01:00:20,170
in stories and she told me a story about

1278
01:00:27,380 --> 01:00:24,940
being on a trip one night she said we my

1279
01:00:31,890 --> 01:00:27,390
friend and I came around the bend and

1280
01:00:34,579 --> 01:00:31,900
there was an automobile that was half

1281
01:00:39,529 --> 01:00:34,589
stuck inside

1282
01:00:41,660 --> 01:00:39,539
this hill and she described us the the

1283
01:00:45,190 --> 01:00:41,670
highway is one where it had been cut

1284
01:00:49,219 --> 01:00:45,200
through you know mountainous roads and

1285
01:00:51,950 --> 01:00:49,229
this cliff just zoomed up over the

1286
01:00:55,009 --> 01:00:51,960
highway and here was this vehicle that

1287
01:00:58,819 --> 01:00:55,019
was half sticking out of this mountain

1288
01:01:02,239 --> 01:00:58,829
and she said we just could not believe

1289
01:01:04,430 --> 01:01:02,249
this and she said so we went down the

1290
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:04,440
road the first place we could find we

1291
01:01:10,339 --> 01:01:07,170
turned around and then she described

1292
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:10,349
this class that she saw and she said

1293
01:01:16,430 --> 01:01:13,650
when we made it back to the location

1294
01:01:19,609 --> 01:01:16,440
where this vehicle was stuck inside this

1295
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:19,619
mountain she said it was gone it had

1296
01:01:23,269 --> 01:01:22,170
just disappeared and she said now that's

1297
01:01:26,870 --> 01:01:23,279
a true story

1298
01:01:29,950 --> 01:01:26,880
and I don't doubt her because you know

1299
01:01:35,870 --> 01:01:29,960
she had no reason to tell me a big tail

1300
01:01:41,299 --> 01:01:35,880
she was obviously very concerned about

1301
01:01:44,359 --> 01:01:41,309
about about this event and she was

1302
01:01:48,709 --> 01:01:44,369
convinced that that car had mistakenly

1303
01:01:51,559 --> 01:01:48,719
been put there by us oh by the time they

1304
01:01:56,059 --> 01:01:51,569
got turned around and got back to where

1305
01:01:57,410 --> 01:01:56,069
it was the car had been removed so you

1306
01:02:00,769 --> 01:01:57,420
know I don't know if it's that

1307
01:02:02,390 --> 01:02:00,779
outlandish or not you know I mean those

1308
01:02:05,479 --> 01:02:02,400
are two incidents that you wouldn't

1309
01:02:08,329 --> 01:02:05,489
expect to happen you know but she said

1310
01:02:10,430 --> 01:02:08,339
and she said I could introduce you to my

1311
01:02:15,039 --> 01:02:10,440
friend who who would tell you the same

1312
01:02:18,049 --> 01:02:15,049
story so you know maybe people will be

1313
01:02:21,890 --> 01:02:18,059
skeptical but those are two stories that

1314
01:02:24,859 --> 01:02:21,900
I heard involving cars and UFOs Wow

1315
01:02:27,499 --> 01:02:24,869
that's that's amazing I mean out of all

1316
01:02:29,150 --> 01:02:27,509
these 900 stories in accounts that you

1317
01:02:31,999 --> 01:02:29,160
collected did anyone ever show you any

1318
01:02:35,059 --> 01:02:32,009
photographs or we have the physical

1319
01:02:38,059 --> 01:02:35,069
evidence that you apparently saw with

1320
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:38,069
Leland's claim but did you ever have any

1321
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:39,690
other sort of physical evidence or

1322
01:02:45,109 --> 01:02:42,690
photographs or recordings or anything to

1323
01:02:46,250 --> 01:02:45,119
substantiate and help bolster a person's

1324
01:02:48,410 --> 01:02:46,260
account

1325
01:02:50,630 --> 01:02:48,420
they all think the one thing I remember

1326
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:50,640
was the gun of the police officer that

1327
01:02:58,520 --> 01:02:55,850
had been melted I saw it

1328
01:03:01,670 --> 01:02:58,530
I've been criticized because I didn't

1329
01:03:06,500 --> 01:03:01,680
take photographs of it but you know that

1330
01:03:08,420 --> 01:03:06,510
wasn't that wasn't my intent I didn't

1331
01:03:10,130 --> 01:03:08,430
want to make people uncomfortable with

1332
01:03:13,460 --> 01:03:10,140
cameras and running around the

1333
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:13,470
reservation like some obsessed person

1334
01:03:18,620 --> 01:03:16,890
with UFOs I mean in order to get these

1335
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:18,630
stories you have to have a certain

1336
01:03:23,900 --> 01:03:21,570
amount of respect you have to have a

1337
01:03:27,170 --> 01:03:23,910
certain amount of people have to trust

1338
01:03:28,850 --> 01:03:27,180
you yeah oh boy I know about that before

1339
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:28,860
we get into any further issues regarding

1340
01:03:34,430 --> 01:03:30,810
trust and we certainly trust Chris

1341
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:34,440
O'Brien and we're finding a lot of trust

1342
01:03:39,410 --> 01:03:37,290
in what our d6 pillar Clark has to tell

1343
01:03:40,990 --> 01:03:39,420
us with gene and Chris you're in Liberec

1344
01:03:48,490 --> 01:03:41,000
cast

1345
01:03:52,700 --> 01:03:50,960
attack of the rock ODEs has been

1346
01:03:54,620 --> 01:03:52,710
well-received by critics and readers

1347
01:03:57,470 --> 01:03:54,630
alike it's a thrill a minute story

1348
01:03:59,810 --> 01:03:57,480
you'll never forget a former US military

1349
01:04:02,089 --> 01:03:59,820
intelligence officer is haunted by

1350
01:04:04,730 --> 01:04:02,099
intense dreams about a beautiful woman

1351
01:04:07,490 --> 01:04:04,740
pleading for his help after a terrible

1352
01:04:09,620 --> 01:04:07,500
battle in outer space but the dreams

1353
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turn out to be true and thrust him into

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ask.com with gene and Chris we have our

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t6 killer Clark talking about encounters

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with star people but one thing I want to

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ask you here we assume these strange

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beings our start people is that they're

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for saying that

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oh it's et are we assuming it's et

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without any necessarily any evidence of

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that well I think I would assume that if

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et is a proper definition now they would

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be one in the same right the one thing

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that was made clear to me several times

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was that there were there were different

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visitors coming to this planet and they

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were and there was an agreement that

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they would not interfere

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there was a non interference policy of

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such and that there were law breakers

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there were people that did interfere and

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they were highly frowned upon by other

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other societies in the universe and I

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was told that several times but people

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that one of the reasons why we don't

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have a lot of interaction with star

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beings is that there's an understanding

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in the universe that that cultures are

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to be left alone but don't you think the

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mere presence of so-called alien craft

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UFO abductions things like that that's

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interference yeah well and I think you

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could interpret it that way but I don't

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think that a lot of the UFOs that you

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see that are you are intended to see

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them

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I think that's why you you have these

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stories these advanced encounters

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occurring in remote areas right

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accidental encounters basically is like

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they're not looking now they're not

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looking for that interaction and it

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seems like there are some from what I

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was told by some of some of my

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01:10:41,629 --> 01:10:34,170
interviewees that that there are those

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that break that law we have a bunch of

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questions from para cast listeners that

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they post on our forum and I'll go Poe

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has been he is one of our newcomers to

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the to the forum and he asked that very

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question our star people all from one

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race or their many different races

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visiting us and basically at what I'm

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hearing you say is we're we're dealing

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01:11:06,979 --> 01:11:05,219
with various races or entities types of

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01:11:09,770 --> 01:11:06,989
entities that are visiting us and and

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01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:09,780
that often times these these events or

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encounters or accidental they're not

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01:11:17,990 --> 01:11:16,350
really intentional here's another couple

1507
01:11:21,189 --> 01:11:18,000
of questions that I think along these

1508
01:11:23,810 --> 01:11:21,199
same lines the convent Hartman's been a

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very active poster at forum dr. Peric

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ascom for the past year and he asks a

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01:11:31,490 --> 01:11:29,040
he's real excited that you're gonna be

1512
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:31,500
on on the show and asked a number of

1513
01:11:36,410 --> 01:11:33,570
questions one of them is are there

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01:11:38,780 --> 01:11:36,420
significant differences between tribes

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01:11:40,899 --> 01:11:38,790
in the way they deal with UFOs and

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01:11:44,780 --> 01:11:40,909
related phenomenon do you see

1517
01:11:46,939 --> 01:11:44,790
correlations of how Indians try you know

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01:11:48,770 --> 01:11:46,949
in terms of Indian tribes deal with this

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01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:48,780
type of thing do you see correlations or

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or is each try different the way they

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01:11:59,720 --> 01:11:56,250
they view this material well I think one

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common thread that runs through all is

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is that not to talk about it that it's

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01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:09,810
looked upon not as a common event but

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01:12:16,129 --> 01:12:13,050
not an unusual event because there have

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been so many people who have witnessed

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such

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Vence but they're you know cautioned not

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01:12:27,260 --> 01:12:24,960
to talk about it and I think part of

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that comes from the fact that they do

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not want people from the National

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Enquirer or people you know coming onto

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their reservation because they they like

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their privacy and they don't want that

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interference in their lives next

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question that he had - he said among

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01:12:52,790 --> 01:12:49,950
people in the u.s. discussion of UFOs is

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01:12:54,140 --> 01:12:52,800
often met with derision and mockery what

1539
01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:54,150
has been the attitude of people in the

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01:12:57,470 --> 01:12:55,530
tribes you know regarding the

1541
01:13:00,140 --> 01:12:57,480
acceptability of discussing the topic

1542
01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:00,150
and and do people who encounter the same

1543
01:13:05,390 --> 01:13:02,370
stigmas in non-indian US culture and I

1544
01:13:08,210 --> 01:13:05,400
think you pretty emphatic Lee stated

1545
01:13:09,890 --> 01:13:08,220
yeah that people tend to keep these

1546
01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:09,900
stories to themselves they're there

1547
01:13:15,229 --> 01:13:12,330
they're pretty much you know

1548
01:13:17,450 --> 01:13:15,239
automatically keep quiet about this

1549
01:13:21,700 --> 01:13:17,460
stuff they don't share these these these

1550
01:13:26,090 --> 01:13:21,710
stories even amongst themselves well

1551
01:13:29,510 --> 01:13:26,100
something else that goes on too and when

1552
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:29,520
you read the book you'll you'll see some

1553
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:33,770
incidents of that is very common among

1554
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:36,570
some of the tribes to tease each other

1555
01:13:43,490 --> 01:13:39,810
and and they tease sometimes

1556
01:13:46,370 --> 01:13:43,500
unmercifully and if you remember the

1557
01:13:49,610 --> 01:13:46,380
police officers who reported sighting a

1558
01:13:52,850 --> 01:13:49,620
UFO and they were referred to as the

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01:13:54,740 --> 01:13:52,860
little green man team and their fellow

1560
01:13:58,640 --> 01:13:54,750
officers just teased him unmercifully

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01:14:00,380 --> 01:13:58,650
right and they told me if we had had it

1562
01:14:02,300 --> 01:14:00,390
to do over again we would have never

1563
01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:02,310
said a word because for the rest of our

1564
01:14:12,770 --> 01:14:10,040
talking about it yeah I've noticed when

1565
01:14:14,510 --> 01:14:12,780
I've spent time on you know on various

1566
01:14:18,830 --> 01:14:14,520
reservations that Indians have have a

1567
01:14:20,300 --> 01:14:18,840
really almost a hyperactive sense of

1568
01:14:26,270 --> 01:14:20,310
humor and they do tend to tease each

1569
01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:26,280
other that in itself and then there were

1570
01:14:35,320 --> 01:14:27,650
some

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01:14:38,169 --> 01:14:35,330
younger generations feared that it will

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01:14:40,200 --> 01:14:38,179
it it might result in job loss because

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01:14:43,209 --> 01:14:40,210
they were in positions of public trust

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01:14:46,330 --> 01:14:43,219
and if somebody even questioned their

1575
01:14:49,959 --> 01:14:46,340
safety they might lose their job or they

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01:14:54,220 --> 01:14:49,969
might not be hired as a consultant

1577
01:14:56,530 --> 01:14:54,230
someplace so you know I think there's

1578
01:14:58,990 --> 01:14:56,540
some of the same fears that you hear in

1579
01:15:01,000 --> 01:14:59,000
mainstream society some people not

1580
01:15:04,360 --> 01:15:01,010
reporting it because they don't want to

1581
01:15:06,310 --> 01:15:04,370
be considered a kook and and I think

1582
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:06,320
that explains part of the reason why

1583
01:15:10,120 --> 01:15:08,330
they want it to be anonymous is they

1584
01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:10,130
just didn't want that information out

1585
01:15:15,130 --> 01:15:12,650
there yeah it's like many of the posters

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01:15:18,550 --> 01:15:15,140
that form dr. Peric ascom they use these

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01:15:22,060 --> 01:15:18,560
these uh avatar names they don't want to

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01:15:25,149 --> 01:15:22,070
be identified because of you know that

1589
01:15:27,370 --> 01:15:25,159
fear of being ridiculed and singled out

1590
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:27,380
here's another question from Conrad that

1591
01:15:30,970 --> 01:15:28,250
is a good one

1592
01:15:32,979 --> 01:15:30,980
do any of the UFO sightings that you

1593
01:15:35,410 --> 01:15:32,989
have interviewed witnesses about

1594
01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:35,420
correlate with cryptid sightings or

1595
01:15:40,570 --> 01:15:39,170
other anomalies and his the second part

1596
01:15:42,430 --> 01:15:40,580
of the question is do the topic of

1597
01:15:45,750 --> 01:15:42,440
Thunderbirds or skinwalkers ever come up

1598
01:15:51,370 --> 01:15:45,760
in these stories that you've heard well

1599
01:15:56,939 --> 01:15:51,380
not not skinwalkers and not Thunderbirds

1600
01:16:05,470 --> 01:15:56,949
and not Bigfoot but shapeshifters yes in

1601
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:05,480
fact I heard many stories about aliens

1602
01:16:13,240 --> 01:16:08,810
or star people who could appear and

1603
01:16:15,550 --> 01:16:13,250
disappear at will who appeared as lights

1604
01:16:18,130 --> 01:16:15,560
in the beginning and then suddenly took

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01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:18,140
human form you know you're raising a big

1606
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:19,730
issue there and I wanted to ask you some

1607
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questions because that brings up other

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possible questions about the origin of

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these beings we have our t6 killer Clark

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burglars into thinking someone is home

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less than $35 yes

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it's fake TV this year about one in

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every 50 US homes we'll have a break in

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with burglars usually picking the easy

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target a dark house that looks like no

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one is home fake TV is a small

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electronic security device that makes it

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look like someone is home watching TV by

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simulating the light from a real TV it's

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like a lamp on a timer but far more

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convincing and for only 3495 fake TV

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could be the difference between coming

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home to a secure house or one that's

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this is Don Ecker and you are tuned in

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to the para cast let me tell you what

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01:21:01,600 --> 01:20:58,099
you're gonna hear stuff here that you

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probably won't hear anywhere else hear

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that George snoring on the power cast we

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01:21:09,490 --> 01:21:07,909
have dr. rd6 killer Clark joining us

1714
01:21:11,890 --> 01:21:09,500
we're talking about encounters with star

1715
01:21:16,510 --> 01:21:11,900
people and Artie I wanted to ask you

1716
01:21:19,359 --> 01:21:16,520
about these shape changing things beings

1717
01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:19,369
whatever they are wouldn't that possibly

1718
01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:21,290
indicate something else is at play here

1719
01:21:28,359 --> 01:21:25,210
other than DT maybe some other kind of

1720
01:21:32,260 --> 01:21:28,369
indigenous or terrestrial phenomena well

1721
01:21:35,260 --> 01:21:32,270
I'm not sure I know the people I

1722
01:21:38,470 --> 01:21:35,270
interviewed felt they were star people

1723
01:21:41,680 --> 01:21:38,480
with disability to just disappear when

1724
01:21:45,689 --> 01:21:41,690
they wanted to to sometimes appear as

1725
01:21:48,490 --> 01:21:45,699
balls of light and then suddenly become

1726
01:21:48,850 --> 01:21:48,500
take a human form right in front of

1727
01:21:52,870 --> 01:21:48,860
their eyes

1728
01:21:55,990 --> 01:21:52,880
so you know whether it's it's another I

1729
01:21:59,169 --> 01:21:56,000
mean and all of them said this in

1730
01:22:01,660 --> 01:21:59,179
conjunction with a craft citing it

1731
01:22:04,209 --> 01:22:01,670
wasn't that it was a ball of light and

1732
01:22:07,540 --> 01:22:04,219
took a human form and there was nothing

1733
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:07,550
in the sky or nothing nearby all of it

1734
01:22:12,220 --> 01:22:09,530
involved some kind of a sighting of a

1735
01:22:14,140 --> 01:22:12,230
crashed okay let me ask you though did

1736
01:22:16,990 --> 01:22:14,150
these beings when they appear to be

1737
01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:17,000
human interact with anyone and say yes

1738
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:20,570
we're from the stars so to speak well in

1739
01:22:26,620 --> 01:22:23,570
the one case you remember the in the

1740
01:22:29,950 --> 01:22:26,630
books the story that took place before

1741
01:22:31,750 --> 01:22:29,960
Roswell where there was a crash we

1742
01:22:33,129 --> 01:22:31,760
explained this to our listeners they

1743
01:22:35,649 --> 01:22:33,139
haven't read the book and they'd like to

1744
01:22:37,450 --> 01:22:35,659
know well there was an elder that told

1745
01:22:40,510 --> 01:22:37,460
me a story about back when he was a

1746
01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:40,520
young boy I think he was around ten

1747
01:22:47,560 --> 01:22:44,090
years old that he always spent the

1748
01:22:49,780 --> 01:22:47,570
summers on his grandfather's ranch

1749
01:22:52,120 --> 01:22:49,790
and when school was out that was just

1750
01:22:56,350 --> 01:22:52,130
his parents dropped him there in every

1751
01:22:59,200 --> 01:22:56,360
state and and on this one occasion he

1752
01:23:03,640 --> 01:22:59,210
arrived on his grandfather's ranch and

1753
01:23:05,770 --> 01:23:03,650
there was a crashed UFO and it had

1754
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:05,780
crashed into a Butte and was just

1755
01:23:10,540 --> 01:23:08,570
partially outside the Butte it was such

1756
01:23:13,690 --> 01:23:10,550
force that it went inside the beautiful

1757
01:23:19,030 --> 01:23:13,700
part of it was outside the the Butte and

1758
01:23:21,730 --> 01:23:19,040
it was at a time when the government was

1759
01:23:23,440 --> 01:23:21,740
building a lot of dams and different

1760
01:23:24,850 --> 01:23:23,450
things around the country and it just

1761
01:23:28,210 --> 01:23:24,860
happened to be that on this particular

1762
01:23:32,530 --> 01:23:28,220
in this particular place there was a dam

1763
01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:32,540
being built and his grandfather is

1764
01:23:38,470 --> 01:23:36,410
forced to leave his property well first

1765
01:23:42,130 --> 01:23:38,480
of all I should say that his grandfather

1766
01:23:46,750 --> 01:23:42,140
talked about these alien beings from the

1767
01:23:49,270 --> 01:23:46,760
stars who came and and and 17 of them I

1768
01:23:51,160 --> 01:23:49,280
think it was survived and he didn't know

1769
01:23:54,940 --> 01:23:51,170
of any others were there but there were

1770
01:23:58,060 --> 01:23:54,950
18 seats I believe on on the craft but

1771
01:24:01,150 --> 01:23:58,070
17 of them and they live there and but

1772
01:24:03,880 --> 01:24:01,160
when he first encountered them and would

1773
01:24:06,430 --> 01:24:03,890
go there they would disappear it will

1774
01:24:08,260 --> 01:24:06,440
and afterwards when they realized he

1775
01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:08,270
meant them no harm

1776
01:24:16,780 --> 01:24:12,890
he had an interaction with them and they

1777
01:24:19,540 --> 01:24:16,790
were rescued they stayed there a few

1778
01:24:22,390 --> 01:24:19,550
months until a craft came back and

1779
01:24:22,930 --> 01:24:22,400
rescued them but did they say where they

1780
01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:22,940
came from

1781
01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:29,570
well he said that he went after he was

1782
01:24:36,220 --> 01:24:31,850
older that he went to his science

1783
01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:36,230
teacher and he what he said is they came

1784
01:24:41,020 --> 01:24:38,810
from Pleiades that's what he said is

1785
01:24:43,420 --> 01:24:41,030
that what they told him well that's what

1786
01:24:46,180 --> 01:24:43,430
they told the grandfather they told the

1787
01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:46,190
grandfather where they pointed to the

1788
01:24:53,650 --> 01:24:49,850
place in the sky so he goes to his

1789
01:24:56,890 --> 01:24:53,660
teacher and says what is this place and

1790
01:24:58,750 --> 01:24:56,900
the teacher told him it was please

1791
01:25:01,750 --> 01:24:58,760
interesting because I've heard that

1792
01:25:04,630 --> 01:25:01,760
correlation cross tribally of the plate

1793
01:25:06,640 --> 01:25:04,640
he's being singled out as a potential

1794
01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:06,650
location for these beans now I have a

1795
01:25:11,020 --> 01:25:08,570
couple of follow-up questions on this

1796
01:25:13,660 --> 01:25:11,030
one is do we have an approximate time

1797
01:25:15,820 --> 01:25:13,670
period was this the 30s the 20s what

1798
01:25:19,150 --> 01:25:15,830
what decade are we talking about here

1799
01:25:22,600 --> 01:25:19,160
well we're talking about senators were

1800
01:25:25,090 --> 01:25:22,610
Roswell yeah yeah it was before Roswell

1801
01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:25,100
in the early 40s in the early 40s okay

1802
01:25:28,030 --> 01:25:26,810
well my other question is what happened

1803
01:25:29,050 --> 01:25:28,040
to the ship that was partially embedded

1804
01:25:30,550 --> 01:25:29,060
in the Butte

1805
01:25:33,430 --> 01:25:30,560
well that's the interesting thing

1806
01:25:36,730 --> 01:25:33,440
because he said that that when the when

1807
01:25:39,820 --> 01:25:36,740
the government arrived they forced his

1808
01:25:45,010 --> 01:25:39,830
grandfather off his ranch and made him

1809
01:25:46,930 --> 01:25:45,020
go live in this motel room and he stayed

1810
01:25:49,480 --> 01:25:46,940
with his grandfather at the time and his

1811
01:25:51,850 --> 01:25:49,490
grandfather was just beside himself over

1812
01:25:53,170 --> 01:25:51,860
what was going on and of course when

1813
01:25:56,740 --> 01:25:53,180
they came back they didn't even

1814
01:25:59,500 --> 01:25:56,750
recognize the place and he was convinced

1815
01:26:02,620 --> 01:25:59,510
that that the military had found it and

1816
01:26:06,130 --> 01:26:02,630
had removed it and I said how in the

1817
01:26:08,380 --> 01:26:06,140
world could somebody remove a UFO and

1818
01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:08,390
nobody know it he said well people used

1819
01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:10,610
to stand along the highway and watch

1820
01:26:16,210 --> 01:26:13,850
these around on the road watching these

1821
01:26:18,100 --> 01:26:16,220
huge machines come and go because they'd

1822
01:26:20,230 --> 01:26:18,110
never seen anything like that he said

1823
01:26:22,240 --> 01:26:20,240
you got to realize this happened at a

1824
01:26:25,390 --> 01:26:22,250
time when there are very few vehicles on

1825
01:26:27,520 --> 01:26:25,400
the reservation and he said that people

1826
01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:27,530
would literally stand along the road and

1827
01:26:34,210 --> 01:26:31,370
watch these huge machines go by and he

1828
01:26:36,850 --> 01:26:34,220
said you could have moved anything and

1829
01:26:38,740 --> 01:26:36,860
of course he didn't live anywhere near

1830
01:26:41,560 --> 01:26:38,750
any neighbors the closest neighbor he

1831
01:26:43,150 --> 01:26:41,570
had it had moved away and and the

1832
01:26:46,180 --> 01:26:43,160
grandfather seemed to take a lot of

1833
01:26:50,740 --> 01:26:46,190
pride in the fact that he could take

1834
01:26:54,040 --> 01:26:50,750
care of the star men or you know secret

1835
01:26:57,240 --> 01:26:54,050
them away from from the world and nobody

1836
01:26:59,940 --> 01:26:57,250
could interfere with it you know

1837
01:27:13,140 --> 01:26:59,950
we'll to give us the estate where this

1838
01:27:16,170 --> 01:27:13,150
happened this is New Mexico well I'm

1839
01:27:20,910 --> 01:27:16,180
sure you understand my my eagerness to

1840
01:27:24,060 --> 01:27:20,920
kind of try to pinpoint this you can't

1841
01:27:25,710 --> 01:27:24,070
blame me I mean this is a 17 star people

1842
01:27:29,430 --> 01:27:25,720
coming from a crashed saucer the

1843
01:27:33,240 --> 01:27:29,440
government recovery it's hard for me not

1844
01:27:38,790 --> 01:27:33,250
to ask probing questions already as I'm

1845
01:27:42,960 --> 01:27:38,800
sure but I just it if I told you it was

1846
01:27:44,610 --> 01:27:42,970
just could you tell me privately not on

1847
01:27:46,500 --> 01:27:44,620
the air could I talk to you and could

1848
01:27:48,630 --> 01:27:46,510
you verify some of the locations of some

1849
01:27:57,300 --> 01:27:48,640
of these cases if I promised I would not

1850
01:28:00,480 --> 01:27:57,310
publicize this I promise the people in

1851
01:28:02,340 --> 01:28:00,490
investigated have except their words you

1852
01:28:04,710 --> 01:28:02,350
know really like what really matters

1853
01:28:09,540 --> 01:28:04,720
this world except your word right and

1854
01:28:11,370 --> 01:28:09,550
and oftentimes when I am asked to you

1855
01:28:13,770 --> 01:28:11,380
know honor a person's request for

1856
01:28:16,620 --> 01:28:13,780
anonymity one of my follow-up questions

1857
01:28:19,380 --> 01:28:16,630
is well would you mind if I shared this

1858
01:28:21,240 --> 01:28:19,390
story with a fellow investigator off the

1859
01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:21,250
record in private and I give them that

1860
01:28:26,450 --> 01:28:23,770
option this might be a little something

1861
01:28:29,840 --> 01:28:26,460
that you might consider in the future

1862
01:28:31,890 --> 01:28:29,850
when I collected these stories

1863
01:28:36,260 --> 01:28:31,900
occasionally I would think well maybe

1864
01:28:39,480 --> 01:28:36,270
I'll write a book but then you know I I

1865
01:28:41,250 --> 01:28:39,490
pretty much had just set him aside and

1866
01:28:45,960 --> 01:28:41,260
just wasn't going to do anything with

1867
01:28:51,330 --> 01:28:45,970
him and then was encouraged to to write

1868
01:28:53,070 --> 01:28:51,340
the book so I never even thought about

1869
01:28:58,740 --> 01:28:53,080
asking those kind of questions right

1870
01:29:04,320 --> 01:28:58,750
because I was just collecting these

1871
01:29:06,060 --> 01:29:04,330
stories and and now in hindsight I

1872
01:29:09,120 --> 01:29:06,070
probably should have done a lot of

1873
01:29:10,270 --> 01:29:09,130
things that I didn't do but you know I

1874
01:29:12,490 --> 01:29:10,280
um

1875
01:29:15,550 --> 01:29:12,500
I guess I looked at things differently

1876
01:29:17,020 --> 01:29:15,560
as a social scientist yeah you're you're

1877
01:29:18,880 --> 01:29:17,030
actually we're talking about the

1878
01:29:20,140 --> 01:29:18,890
folklore here really we're not talking

1879
01:29:24,430 --> 01:29:20,150
about science we're not talking about

1880
01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:24,440
points of data you know verifying dates

1881
01:29:28,900 --> 01:29:26,810
times you know accurate descriptions

1882
01:29:31,240 --> 01:29:28,910
looking for physical evidence like

1883
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myself and other investigators would do

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it reminds me of Tom dango here in the

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Sedona area who's been collecting

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stories for 30 years many of them

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actually from the Navajo Reservation

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he's not interested in the least to get

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a day at a time and a lot of accurate

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sort of data points but I wonder I'm

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gonna kind of cool our jets here about

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some of these accounts and and get a

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sense from you if you've really in nine

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hundred you know interviews you're gonna

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start to see some correlations between

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tribal thinking in terms of star people

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do you see a consistent kind of a body

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of thinking or a sense of similarities

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between different tribes traditional

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knowledge concerning star people

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the Pleiades I know and in Orion this is

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a place where we have to kind of sort of

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[Music]

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this is Leslie Kane and I'm with the

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Coalition for freedom of information and

2011
01:35:02,130 --> 01:35:00,610
you are listening to the podcast Chris

2012
01:35:04,290 --> 01:35:02,140
was in the midst of asking a very

2013
01:35:06,390 --> 01:35:04,300
involved question of our guest this week

2014
01:35:08,310 --> 01:35:06,400
our D six killer Clark author of

2015
01:35:10,500 --> 01:35:08,320
encounters with star people Chris why

2016
01:35:12,180 --> 01:35:10,510
don't you ask part two of the question

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01:35:14,040 --> 01:35:12,190
then we'll get our DS answer yeah

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01:35:16,460 --> 01:35:14,050
basically what I'm what I'm shooting for

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01:35:20,460 --> 01:35:16,470
is is I'm looking for consistency

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01:35:22,950 --> 01:35:20,470
between tribal traditions concerning

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01:35:26,270 --> 01:35:22,960
star people do you see correlations you

2022
01:35:28,590 --> 01:35:26,280
see similarities is there a thread of of

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01:35:31,620 --> 01:35:28,600
consistency that runs through from tribe

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01:35:33,810 --> 01:35:31,630
to tribe relating to star knowledge and

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01:35:37,890 --> 01:35:33,820
star people well if there is a

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01:35:41,430 --> 01:35:37,900
consistency it is that a majority of the

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01:35:46,710 --> 01:35:41,440
people I interviewed came from tribes

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01:35:50,400 --> 01:35:46,720
that believe that that the star people

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01:35:54,440 --> 01:35:50,410
existed and that they frequented the the

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01:35:58,440 --> 01:35:54,450
planet Earth from the beginning of time

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01:36:01,710 --> 01:35:58,450
that is the one commonality on the other

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01:36:04,530 --> 01:36:01,720
hand you will go and you will find other

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01:36:07,020 --> 01:36:04,540
tribes that have absolutely no cosmic

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01:36:11,520 --> 01:36:07,030
connection either in their legends their

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01:36:14,490 --> 01:36:11,530
stories or any knowledge of speaking of

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01:36:17,990 --> 01:36:14,500
star people or the ancients or anything

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01:36:23,100 --> 01:36:18,000
like that so it's hard to generalize

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01:36:25,890 --> 01:36:23,110
among the tribes of generalities because

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01:36:30,510 --> 01:36:25,900
their cultures are so distinct they're

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01:36:35,280 --> 01:36:30,520
their legends are unique and the stories

2041
01:36:38,310 --> 01:36:35,290
they tell can be very different but as a

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01:36:40,920 --> 01:36:38,320
rule I would say that that the majority

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01:36:43,830 --> 01:36:40,930
of the people that I talked to came from

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01:36:46,800 --> 01:36:43,840
tribes that believe that the star people

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01:36:49,260 --> 01:36:46,810
existed questions from Conrad Hartman

2046
01:36:51,180 --> 01:36:49,270
and he wonders how far east has your

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01:36:52,920 --> 01:36:51,190
work with American Indian tribes taken

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01:36:54,540 --> 01:36:52,930
you do you have any stories for instance

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01:36:57,330 --> 01:36:54,550
from the Delaware Nation or affiliated

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01:37:00,420 --> 01:36:57,340
tribes maybe the six nations tribes

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01:37:03,450 --> 01:37:00,430
Iroquois the Mohawk and tribes from the

2052
01:37:07,530 --> 01:37:03,460
east coast well obviously

2053
01:37:11,750 --> 01:37:07,540
I I was some of my stories in the book

2054
01:37:18,050 --> 01:37:11,760
do come from the east and the Midwest

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01:37:27,200 --> 01:37:23,490
northeastern tribes with the exception

2056
01:37:29,430 --> 01:37:27,210
of a couple Iroquois other than that no

2057
01:37:31,470 --> 01:37:29,440
you know my work at Montana State

2058
01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:31,480
University didn't take me to those

2059
01:37:38,370 --> 01:37:36,010
places my stories came from the

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01:37:40,890 --> 01:37:38,380
reservations and the places that I

2061
01:37:44,690 --> 01:37:40,900
visited or if I met somebody at a

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01:37:48,420 --> 01:37:44,700
conference that over the years became

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01:37:52,080 --> 01:37:48,430
you know trusted me enough to tell a

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01:37:55,620 --> 01:37:52,090
story but other than that no well how

2065
01:37:58,740 --> 01:37:55,630
about your own experiences I remember in

2066
01:38:01,709 --> 01:37:58,750
the book that you had a sighting of an

2067
01:38:04,560 --> 01:38:01,719
object at the funeral of one of your

2068
01:38:06,390 --> 01:38:04,570
your interview subjects so how about

2069
01:38:09,440 --> 01:38:06,400
your own UFO type buzz sighting

2070
01:38:12,209 --> 01:38:09,450
experiences joining tell us about those

2071
01:38:17,180 --> 01:38:12,219
well I'd really like to focus on the

2072
01:38:21,140 --> 01:38:17,190
book but I can tell you that I have had

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01:38:25,410 --> 01:38:21,150
more than one experience so by actually

2074
01:38:27,630 --> 01:38:25,420
all right so my I've had quite a number

2075
01:38:30,450 --> 01:38:27,640
actually over the years well here's

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01:38:34,200 --> 01:38:30,460
here's an interesting question from one

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01:38:36,780 --> 01:38:34,210
of our our forum posters mass tastic

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01:38:37,670 --> 01:38:36,790
who's been opposed to since July of last

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01:38:41,220 --> 01:38:37,680
year

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01:38:43,979 --> 01:38:41,230
is there any way to separate good and

2081
01:38:45,990 --> 01:38:43,989
evil aliens that those interviewed

2082
01:38:47,820 --> 01:38:46,000
described it seems that the traditional

2083
01:38:49,709 --> 01:38:47,830
gray aliens with the large eyes the

2084
01:38:51,959 --> 01:38:49,719
frail appearance and those skinny bodies

2085
01:38:54,959 --> 01:38:51,969
and large heads were involved in the

2086
01:38:57,300 --> 01:38:54,969
morning nefarious abduction accounts and

2087
01:39:01,110 --> 01:38:57,310
interactions whereas the more human

2088
01:39:02,700 --> 01:39:01,120
appearing aliens were closer to kind of

2089
01:39:06,810 --> 01:39:02,710
an American Indian and belief in

2090
01:39:09,990 --> 01:39:06,820
ancestors from the stars do you see any

2091
01:39:11,729 --> 01:39:10,000
sort of separation between different

2092
01:39:13,410 --> 01:39:11,739
types of entities and in how they were

2093
01:39:15,860 --> 01:39:13,420
perceived and either positive or

2094
01:39:20,310 --> 01:39:15,870
negative way by your interview subjects

2095
01:39:23,310 --> 01:39:20,320
well you know um there were a couple of

2096
01:39:28,140 --> 01:39:23,320
instances reporting stories in the book

2097
01:39:31,650 --> 01:39:28,150
of of the the people describing them

2098
01:39:33,710 --> 01:39:31,660
almost like insects and those

2099
01:39:36,990 --> 01:39:33,720
experiences were not positive

2100
01:39:39,420 --> 01:39:37,000
experiences they were forcibly taken

2101
01:39:44,400 --> 01:39:39,430
onto a spacecraft they were very aware

2102
01:39:46,980 --> 01:39:44,410
of what was happening to them and that

2103
01:39:50,310 --> 01:39:46,990
they were being forcibly taking by taken

2104
01:39:54,000 --> 01:39:50,320
by these beings and and that was not a

2105
01:39:56,850 --> 01:39:54,010
positive experience for them and so

2106
01:39:59,430 --> 01:39:56,860
there was a distinction and and their

2107
01:40:01,470 --> 01:39:59,440
description of them now what are the

2108
01:40:04,170 --> 01:40:01,480
interesting things I've found is that

2109
01:40:06,570 --> 01:40:04,180
they they didn't talk about him having

2110
01:40:09,450 --> 01:40:06,580
great big large eyes they talked about

2111
01:40:11,340 --> 01:40:09,460
him wearing goggles and I thought that

2112
01:40:13,920 --> 01:40:11,350
was interesting because maybe that's

2113
01:40:15,690 --> 01:40:13,930
what they do where maybe those big eyes

2114
01:40:19,290 --> 01:40:15,700
are nothing more than some kind of

2115
01:40:21,570 --> 01:40:19,300
goggles to protect their eyes or

2116
01:40:23,700 --> 01:40:21,580
something I don't know but I found that

2117
01:40:26,370 --> 01:40:23,710
interesting because I you know I've

2118
01:40:30,450 --> 01:40:26,380
heard the stories about you know the

2119
01:40:33,600 --> 01:40:30,460
aliens with the big eyes and and and of

2120
01:40:35,940 --> 01:40:33,610
course you see it in television and you

2121
01:40:41,910 --> 01:40:35,950
know everywhere you go and pop culture

2122
01:40:45,000 --> 01:40:41,920
oh boy do we the rotation here at the

2123
01:40:47,730 --> 01:40:45,010
parrot caste I might add but you know

2124
01:40:49,560 --> 01:40:47,740
one of the things that that that I

2125
01:40:51,540 --> 01:40:49,570
encountered when they were described as

2126
01:40:52,980 --> 01:40:51,550
I said well what did their eyes you know

2127
01:40:55,410 --> 01:40:52,990
how he described their eyes and they

2128
01:40:58,650 --> 01:40:55,420
said well we can't because they were

2129
01:41:00,840 --> 01:40:58,660
wearing these black goggles so I thought

2130
01:41:02,760 --> 01:41:00,850
that was interesting that they didn't

2131
01:41:05,340 --> 01:41:02,770
see them as having these big oval eyes

2132
01:41:07,230 --> 01:41:05,350
they saw them as wearing goggles well

2133
01:41:10,350 --> 01:41:07,240
here's a question that I wanted to ask

2134
01:41:12,000 --> 01:41:10,360
you myself and that is out of all these

2135
01:41:13,740 --> 01:41:12,010
interviews that you did most of them

2136
01:41:17,130 --> 01:41:13,750
obviously were just average everyday

2137
01:41:18,990 --> 01:41:17,140
American Indian folk did you ever

2138
01:41:24,030 --> 01:41:19,000
interview somebody that was a head of a

2139
01:41:27,070 --> 01:41:24,040
Medicine Society or a chief or some sort

2140
01:41:29,410 --> 01:41:27,080
of political figure or someone

2141
01:41:31,750 --> 01:41:29,420
with high political standing or social

2142
01:41:33,610 --> 01:41:31,760
standing within a tribe well several of

2143
01:41:35,880 --> 01:41:33,620
the people I interviewed had a high

2144
01:41:40,450 --> 01:41:35,890
social standing within the tribe or

2145
01:41:47,110 --> 01:41:40,460
leadership in the tribe whether they

2146
01:41:50,830 --> 01:41:47,120
were I stayed away from from interviews

2147
01:41:52,930 --> 01:41:50,840
with what we call the holy man or the

2148
01:42:02,040 --> 01:41:52,940
medicine men unless they just wanted to

2149
01:42:07,900 --> 01:42:02,050
talk my work took me to places where I

2150
01:42:11,140 --> 01:42:07,910
met the leaders of the community both in

2151
01:42:15,790 --> 01:42:11,150
the school and in tribal government and

2152
01:42:18,820 --> 01:42:15,800
and so the people I interviewed were

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01:42:23,620 --> 01:42:18,830
often head of programs or that were

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01:42:27,760 --> 01:42:23,630
travel programs or leaders of in the

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01:42:29,920 --> 01:42:27,770
community and so yes it wasn't it just

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01:42:33,360 --> 01:42:29,930
wasn't you know somebody that I picked

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01:42:38,290 --> 01:42:33,370
up off the street these were reliable

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01:42:40,930 --> 01:42:38,300
respectable individuals but they also as

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01:42:43,030 --> 01:42:40,940
I point out in my book some of them had

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01:42:45,640 --> 01:42:43,040
never used a cell phone and had never

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01:42:50,830 --> 01:42:45,650
watched television or owned anything

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01:42:54,880 --> 01:42:50,840
like that whereas others had phd's so it

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01:42:56,380 --> 01:42:54,890
ran the full gamut of people with

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01:43:01,420 --> 01:42:56,390
different experiences and different

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01:43:04,110 --> 01:43:01,430
backgrounds as many investigators and

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01:43:07,990 --> 01:43:04,120
researchers out there will attest to

2167
01:43:09,520 --> 01:43:08,000
these types of experiences tend to

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01:43:13,030 --> 01:43:09,530
happen across the board and in the

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01:43:14,620 --> 01:43:13,040
culture nobody no single group is is

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01:43:16,570 --> 01:43:14,630
more susceptible or

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01:43:18,700 --> 01:43:16,580
except maybe divorced middle-aged

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01:43:21,580 --> 01:43:18,710
housewives introduction died and that

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01:43:23,530 --> 01:43:21,590
was a joke we have a very interesting I

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01:43:25,300 --> 01:43:23,540
have an interesting question from

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01:43:28,440 --> 01:43:25,310
somebody that just signed up here this

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01:43:31,450 --> 01:43:28,450
month on the forum at the podcast calm

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01:43:33,850 --> 01:43:31,460
it says hello I'm a newbie to both you

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01:43:35,770 --> 01:43:33,860
your site in your show and with that

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01:43:38,410 --> 01:43:35,780
said I'm currently reading dr. Clark's

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01:43:40,000 --> 01:43:38,420
book although new Diorshow start people

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01:43:40,959 --> 01:43:40,010
in topics of this nature have been a

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01:43:44,080 --> 01:43:40,969
life long

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01:43:46,000 --> 01:43:44,090
interest of mine and their question to

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01:43:48,669 --> 01:43:46,010
you is in the book chapter 21

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01:43:52,060 --> 01:43:48,679
two women speak their minds tally one of

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01:43:53,649 --> 01:43:52,070
the witnesses informs you quote I was

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01:43:56,200 --> 01:43:53,659
told that there were four violent

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01:43:59,979 --> 01:43:56,210
species in the universe humans were one

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01:44:02,589 --> 01:43:59,989
of them unquote did you ever hear of who

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01:44:05,560 --> 01:44:02,599
the other three violent species were and

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01:44:08,709 --> 01:44:05,570
they never explained and I asked her

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01:44:11,200 --> 01:44:08,719
that and she looked at me and she said

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01:44:12,520 --> 01:44:11,210
with all these interviews you're doing

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01:44:22,540 --> 01:44:12,530
you should be able to figure that one

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01:44:26,770 --> 01:44:22,550
out for yourself oh man well this person

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01:44:28,359 --> 01:44:26,780
Evan Spencer is his very loves your book

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01:44:30,069 --> 01:44:28,369
and says for those of you have yet to

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01:44:32,109 --> 01:44:30,079
read this book I'm referring to a rather

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charming encounter including one of the

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01:44:35,589 --> 01:44:33,590
chapters and they highly recommend

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anyone interested in furthering their

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perspective on et's and visitations to

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read your book and they say that you're

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the american-indian outlook pertaining

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01:44:47,709 --> 01:44:45,409
to the subject matter is very rich in

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detail and well worth your time I agree

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there's some fascinating accounts in

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here but but again you know you're

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you're sort of handcuffed here a little

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bit in terms of the real skeptical side

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of our audience we do pride ourselves in

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being healthily skeptical in in dealing

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with these subjects and at times we tend

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to get a little bit of flack from people

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that want us to suspend our disbelief

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completely but we have to suspend right

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we're now unsuspended they ready to go

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with gene and Chris in the para cast our

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guests are t6 killer Clark and Chris was

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01:48:13,340 --> 01:48:11,850
busy explaining that you know we

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01:48:16,880 --> 01:48:13,350
sometimes take a more skeptical approach

2274
01:48:18,530 --> 01:48:16,890
of events than other shows Chris yeah

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01:48:20,000 --> 01:48:18,540
and I can I can appreciate that you're

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01:48:22,220 --> 01:48:20,010
gonna be getting a little bit of flack

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from folks out there because there's not

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one person on the record there's no

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mention of any sort of corroborating

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information photographs recordings any

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01:48:35,870 --> 01:48:34,320
sort of indication other than a few you

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01:48:37,220 --> 01:48:35,880
know being shown physical trace evidence

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01:48:39,740 --> 01:48:37,230
which I think is important especially

2284
01:48:43,040 --> 01:48:39,750
Leland's case that's very fascinating

2285
01:48:45,290 --> 01:48:43,050
that particular event but you cultivated

2286
01:48:48,350 --> 01:48:45,300
relationships with many of these

2287
01:48:50,450 --> 01:48:48,360
witnesses and were you able to kind of

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01:48:52,430 --> 01:48:50,460
see a progression where a person would

2289
01:48:55,460 --> 01:48:52,440
open up more and more and tell you more

2290
01:48:58,520 --> 01:48:55,470
and more details did anyone ever offer

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01:49:02,240 --> 01:48:58,530
to show you photographs or did anyone

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01:49:04,010 --> 01:49:02,250
offer to take you to locations you

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01:49:06,830 --> 01:49:04,020
mentioned at the top of the show a

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01:49:09,980 --> 01:49:06,840
location that you were taken to explain

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01:49:11,690 --> 01:49:09,990
explains how the relationship side that

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01:49:13,490 --> 01:49:11,700
you sort of garnered with some of these

2297
01:49:15,620 --> 01:49:13,500
witnesses how it grew and how it was

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01:49:18,080 --> 01:49:15,630
nurtured over the years because you did

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01:49:19,790 --> 01:49:18,090
you did get to know some of these

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01:49:22,970 --> 01:49:19,800
individuals quite well over the years

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01:49:27,020 --> 01:49:22,980
well because you know it's within the

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01:49:30,140 --> 01:49:27,030
culture you know out of respect you just

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01:49:32,390 --> 01:49:30,150
don't go to a person and and get their

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01:49:34,700 --> 01:49:32,400
story and then forget that they ever

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01:49:37,670 --> 01:49:34,710
existed I mean it's it's you know I

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01:49:41,840 --> 01:49:37,680
always would go back and see them I

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01:49:43,820 --> 01:49:41,850
would take them presents I would stop in

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01:49:46,640 --> 01:49:43,830
for a visit and have coffee with them

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01:49:51,530 --> 01:49:46,650
that's just a matter of respect that's

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01:49:54,050 --> 01:49:51,540
part of the culture and I did I I grew

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01:49:56,360 --> 01:49:54,060
to love some of them in fact some of the

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01:49:59,950 --> 01:49:56,370
elders really made an enormous

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01:50:02,960 --> 01:49:59,960
impression on my life there was never

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01:50:07,160 --> 01:50:02,970
any question to me but what they were

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01:50:09,050 --> 01:50:07,170
telling me the truth and I over the

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01:50:11,530 --> 01:50:09,060
years some of the people I knew for a

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01:50:14,650 --> 01:50:11,540
very long time before they ever told me

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01:50:17,080 --> 01:50:14,660
story a lot of it just comes from from

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01:50:20,320 --> 01:50:17,090
the fact that they they had worked with

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01:50:24,610 --> 01:50:20,330
me they watched me they believed I

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01:50:28,570 --> 01:50:24,620
wasn't going to exploit the situation or

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01:50:30,760 --> 01:50:28,580
to exploit them or their tribe in fact

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01:50:36,090 --> 01:50:30,770
you know if you read the book you'll see

2324
01:50:38,650 --> 01:50:36,100
that that part of the proceeds go toward

2325
01:50:41,140 --> 01:50:38,660
American Indian scholarships of Montana

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01:50:44,260 --> 01:50:41,150
State University I was just saying that

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01:50:50,560 --> 01:50:44,270
you know a part of of the culture is

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01:50:53,920 --> 01:50:50,570
that they - that you give back and so at

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01:50:56,020 --> 01:50:53,930
least for my and money that I would make

2330
01:50:58,810 --> 01:50:56,030
from this book or which isn't

2331
01:51:01,330 --> 01:50:58,820
considerable but a percentage will go to

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01:51:04,540 --> 01:51:01,340
American Indian scholarships because I

2333
01:51:07,390 --> 01:51:04,550
want to give back to those who gave so

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01:51:09,940 --> 01:51:07,400
freely to me of their time and of their

2335
01:51:12,580 --> 01:51:09,950
stories so that you know future

2336
01:51:15,490 --> 01:51:12,590
generations have an opportunity because

2337
01:51:18,610 --> 01:51:15,500
I had before I retired at Montana State

2338
01:51:22,060 --> 01:51:18,620
University I had an established a

2339
01:51:26,620 --> 01:51:22,070
scholarship that would go on in

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01:51:28,750 --> 01:51:26,630
perpetuity and and once it had I had

2341
01:51:30,940 --> 01:51:28,760
paid in twenty five thousand dollars and

2342
01:51:33,340 --> 01:51:30,950
it became they started awarding the

2343
01:51:37,330 --> 01:51:33,350
scholarships and I keep donating to that

2344
01:51:42,220 --> 01:51:37,340
fund from my writings and my work now I

2345
01:51:46,480 --> 01:51:42,230
have some other questions from our forum

2346
01:51:47,730 --> 01:51:46,490
posters and and Jimmy H is is having a

2347
01:51:50,110 --> 01:51:47,740
hard time wrapping his head around

2348
01:51:52,120 --> 01:51:50,120
around your book and in the subject

2349
01:51:54,040 --> 01:51:52,130
matter and you know he does ask some

2350
01:51:57,040 --> 01:51:54,050
very pointed questions here one of them

2351
01:51:59,800 --> 01:51:57,050
is with the star people be interested in

2352
01:52:01,920 --> 01:51:59,810
revealing themselves publicly do you

2353
01:52:05,050 --> 01:52:01,930
have any indication of that and or

2354
01:52:06,970 --> 01:52:05,060
perhaps leave behind objects which might

2355
01:52:10,390 --> 01:52:06,980
convince skeptics of their their

2356
01:52:14,140 --> 01:52:10,400
existence out of all the stories I don't

2357
01:52:17,820 --> 01:52:14,150
really see much mention of any sort of

2358
01:52:21,310 --> 01:52:17,830
disclosure by these entities

2359
01:52:24,360 --> 01:52:21,320
disclosing you know slam dunk evidence

2360
01:52:26,910 --> 01:52:24,370
of their of their actual existence and

2361
01:52:29,160 --> 01:52:26,920
interested in in our culture's do you

2362
01:52:32,480 --> 01:52:29,170
want to address that well I think it

2363
01:52:36,420 --> 01:52:32,490
goes back to what some of the

2364
01:52:38,970 --> 01:52:36,430
interviewees said is that there is a law

2365
01:52:42,570 --> 01:52:38,980
in the universe of non-interference and

2366
01:52:48,030 --> 01:52:42,580
other other cultures of other planets

2367
01:52:50,580 --> 01:52:48,040
and you know so you know I've read so

2368
01:52:54,330 --> 01:52:50,590
much of this literature where you know

2369
01:52:56,640 --> 01:52:54,340
that the earth is going to be destroyed

2370
01:53:00,240 --> 01:52:56,650
and UFOs are going to come and pick up a

2371
01:53:01,680 --> 01:53:00,250
select few and spirit them away or that

2372
01:53:04,380 --> 01:53:01,690
they're going to come and save the earth

2373
01:53:05,790 --> 01:53:04,390
I think that to me that kind of

2374
01:53:08,040 --> 01:53:05,800
information from the people I

2375
01:53:13,400 --> 01:53:08,050
interviewed there is absolutely none of

2376
01:53:18,780 --> 01:53:13,410
that it was that they come here they

2377
01:53:21,630 --> 01:53:18,790
collect data they land in places where

2378
01:53:24,870 --> 01:53:21,640
they hope they will be unseen and can

2379
01:53:28,290 --> 01:53:24,880
leave the same way and that but there

2380
01:53:31,590 --> 01:53:28,300
are people or entities that break the

2381
01:53:35,540 --> 01:53:31,600
law and do interfere and I suspect

2382
01:53:38,400 --> 01:53:35,550
they're referring to abductions or

2383
01:53:40,440 --> 01:53:38,410
mutilations of animals or whatever what

2384
01:53:43,020 --> 01:53:40,450
I ask you though already I hate to

2385
01:53:46,230 --> 01:53:43,030
interrupt this non-interference policy

2386
01:53:48,300 --> 01:53:46,240
is this something they present to people

2387
01:53:50,130 --> 01:53:48,310
who contact them or something that is

2388
01:53:53,180 --> 01:53:50,140
assumed and I'm not talking about the

2389
01:53:56,550 --> 01:53:53,190
Star Trek non-interference policy here

2390
01:53:58,140 --> 01:53:56,560
to them okay so they tell people we're

2391
01:53:59,460 --> 01:53:58,150
not here to interfere but by

2392
01:54:01,830 --> 01:53:59,470
communicating with them they're

2393
01:54:07,200 --> 01:54:01,840
interfering or anything well but they

2394
01:54:09,840 --> 01:54:07,210
did they came upon these entities by

2395
01:54:12,510 --> 01:54:09,850
accident or the entities came upon them

2396
01:54:16,050 --> 01:54:12,520
by accident and when they were

2397
01:54:18,750 --> 01:54:16,060
questioned by the the people I

2398
01:54:22,680 --> 01:54:18,760
interviewed of what are you doing here

2399
01:54:25,080 --> 01:54:22,690
why are you here and many of them many

2400
01:54:27,260 --> 01:54:25,090
of the responses were they were they

2401
01:54:31,470 --> 01:54:27,270
weren't supposed to be seen they were

2402
01:54:34,020 --> 01:54:31,480
not meant to interfere in the life of

2403
01:54:37,050 --> 01:54:34,030
anybody so it was an accidental meeting

2404
01:54:37,990 --> 01:54:37,060
in which case of course they basically

2405
01:54:40,060 --> 01:54:38,000
totally

2406
01:54:44,320 --> 01:54:40,070
turned around that person's life by the

2407
01:54:45,910 --> 01:54:44,330
encounter but also I think here do you

2408
01:54:48,160 --> 01:54:45,920
think though but wouldn't you think here

2409
01:54:50,470 --> 01:54:48,170
I'm just speculating here we have an

2410
01:54:52,570 --> 01:54:50,480
advanced race where many advanced race

2411
01:54:54,010 --> 01:54:52,580
is coming here from other planets and

2412
01:54:56,950 --> 01:54:54,020
other star systems and certainly

2413
01:54:59,170 --> 01:54:56,960
prospect that is fairly obvious now

2414
01:55:01,330 --> 01:54:59,180
because we're discovering more and more

2415
01:55:04,450 --> 01:55:01,340
potential earth-like planets in the

2416
01:55:06,370 --> 01:55:04,460
universe so this is certainly your

2417
01:55:08,500 --> 01:55:06,380
realistic possibility to consider even

2418
01:55:11,230 --> 01:55:08,510
by skeptics okay

2419
01:55:14,500 --> 01:55:11,240
so knowing that there's always the risk

2420
01:55:16,780 --> 01:55:14,510
that the local populace is going to come

2421
01:55:19,140 --> 01:55:16,790
upon them by mistake wouldn't they have

2422
01:55:21,700 --> 01:55:19,150
a contingency plan some kind of

2423
01:55:23,980 --> 01:55:21,710
neuralyzer or something to wipe out the

2424
01:55:26,020 --> 01:55:23,990
memories to hypnotize people so they

2425
01:55:28,210 --> 01:55:26,030
don't interfere so the people do not

2426
01:55:30,040 --> 01:55:28,220
remember this encounter that's why it

2427
01:55:34,210 --> 01:55:30,050
was wondering I think that's been a

2428
01:55:37,510 --> 01:55:34,220
common theme in UFO literature but I'm

2429
01:55:40,150 --> 01:55:37,520
writing about people who have never been

2430
01:55:43,390 --> 01:55:40,160
hypnotized people who are not channeling

2431
01:55:45,640 --> 01:55:43,400
aliens people who are not in a dream

2432
01:55:49,120 --> 01:55:45,650
state I'm writing about people who have

2433
01:55:50,950 --> 01:55:49,130
full recall of what occurred okay but

2434
01:55:52,720 --> 01:55:50,960
I'm saying that you're saying that I

2435
01:55:55,630 --> 01:55:52,730
think maybe you're missing my point in

2436
01:55:58,840 --> 01:55:55,640
saying that if they have as they claim a

2437
01:56:01,930 --> 01:55:58,850
policy of non-interference knowing also

2438
01:56:04,020 --> 01:56:01,940
that their presence in and of itself

2439
01:56:06,400 --> 01:56:04,030
where they communicate with somebody

2440
01:56:08,910 --> 01:56:06,410
because of an accidental encounter is

2441
01:56:12,400 --> 01:56:08,920
itself some sort of interference

2442
01:56:14,140 --> 01:56:12,410
wouldn't they have a contingency plan it

2443
01:56:15,430 --> 01:56:14,150
just seems strange it seems to me like

2444
01:56:16,540 --> 01:56:15,440
they're talking part I would think

2445
01:56:17,290 --> 01:56:16,550
they're talking through their hat if

2446
01:56:18,700 --> 01:56:17,300
they're saying there's a non

2447
01:56:23,440 --> 01:56:18,710
interference plan and then they

2448
01:56:26,350 --> 01:56:23,450
interfere well maybe so I mean that was

2449
01:56:28,480 --> 01:56:26,360
not the feeling that I got I mean the

2450
01:56:32,290 --> 01:56:28,490
people I interviewed were not

2451
01:56:37,980 --> 01:56:32,300
traumatized they were not having

2452
01:56:42,940 --> 01:56:37,990
nightmares they weren't you know I guess

2453
01:56:45,700 --> 01:56:42,950
you know for me if if if their presence

2454
01:56:48,960 --> 01:56:45,710
had changed my life dramatically I would

2455
01:56:51,670 --> 01:56:48,970
consider that interference has your

2456
01:56:53,350 --> 01:56:51,680
encounters one of you said you it has

2457
01:56:56,800 --> 01:56:53,360
several encounters have they changed

2458
01:56:59,860 --> 01:56:56,810
your life significantly beyond the

2459
01:57:01,840 --> 01:56:59,870
belief that they do exist okay Chris I'm

2460
01:57:03,880 --> 01:57:01,850
sure we'll have his answers to how that

2461
01:57:06,040 --> 01:57:03,890
influenced his life I know my life was

2462
01:57:08,110 --> 01:57:06,050
changed when I read a UFO book on a

2463
01:57:09,220 --> 01:57:08,120
coffee table at my late brother's home

2464
01:57:11,620 --> 01:57:09,230
but that's another story

2465
01:57:13,930 --> 01:57:11,630
on the other hand did finding that book

2466
01:57:16,930 --> 01:57:13,940
and reading that book changed my life

2467
01:57:19,210 --> 01:57:16,940
well you can sure bet it did I mean look

2468
01:57:21,790 --> 01:57:19,220
what I do every weekend look at the show

2469
01:57:24,970 --> 01:57:21,800
that you're listening to that's all an

2470
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outgrowth of what happened when I was 11

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years old

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rt6 killer Clarke joining Jean and Chris

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resources as you know federal government

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central bank's spending policies have

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put the European Union on the brink of

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collapse what are you doing right now to

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protect yourself financially higher

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comment or question about the para cast

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2574
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2575
02:02:06,260 --> 02:02:03,960
posed on the table and we're talking

2576
02:02:08,090 --> 02:02:06,270
about here potential possible

2577
02:02:10,850 --> 02:02:08,100
interference by beings who claim they're

2578
02:02:13,400 --> 02:02:10,860
here but not interfering with our guests

2579
02:02:16,310 --> 02:02:13,410
our t6 killer Clark and she asks Chris

2580
02:02:19,730 --> 02:02:16,320
O'Brien who's head unusual encounters

2581
02:02:22,970 --> 02:02:19,740
how it changed his life Chris encounter

2582
02:02:25,610 --> 02:02:22,980
in terms of conscious recollection I've

2583
02:02:27,470 --> 02:02:25,620
only had one encounter to my knowledge

2584
02:02:30,800 --> 02:02:27,480
and that was when I was seven years old

2585
02:02:32,750 --> 02:02:30,810
I was not communicated with these beings

2586
02:02:34,460 --> 02:02:32,760
seem to be really curious

2587
02:02:37,160 --> 02:02:34,470
even though I didn't get any sort of

2588
02:02:38,390 --> 02:02:37,170
emotional sense from them but the fact

2589
02:02:39,700 --> 02:02:38,400
that they were following me around my

2590
02:02:41,990 --> 02:02:39,710
neighborhood at 3:00 in the morning

2591
02:02:43,670 --> 02:02:42,000
indicated to me even as a seven year old

2592
02:02:45,650 --> 02:02:43,680
that there was some sort of interest

2593
02:02:48,590 --> 02:02:45,660
there but one thing that's always

2594
02:02:51,650 --> 02:02:48,600
puzzled me you know for almost 50 years

2595
02:02:53,360 --> 02:02:51,660
now that these beings never attempted to

2596
02:02:55,130 --> 02:02:53,370
communicate to me and when I attempted

2597
02:02:57,800 --> 02:02:55,140
to communicate to them it was like I was

2598
02:03:00,890 --> 02:02:57,810
talking to a blank wall so again this

2599
02:03:05,090 --> 02:03:00,900
this gets into a you know an area of

2600
02:03:08,060 --> 02:03:05,100
psychology and of screen memories and it

2601
02:03:10,520 --> 02:03:08,070
gets really complicated and I think

2602
02:03:12,830 --> 02:03:10,530
often times when people have unusual

2603
02:03:15,560 --> 02:03:12,840
experiences of this nature there's a

2604
02:03:18,890 --> 02:03:15,570
certain element that may be at play here

2605
02:03:21,710 --> 02:03:18,900
that is not apparent in the conscious

2606
02:03:23,690 --> 02:03:21,720
recollection of the event so it's it's

2607
02:03:25,220 --> 02:03:23,700
it's kind of a you know it's a hallway

2608
02:03:28,130 --> 02:03:25,230
with a quicksand floor

2609
02:03:30,350 --> 02:03:28,140
you really don't know if you're dealing

2610
02:03:31,400 --> 02:03:30,360
with the real thing if you're dealing

2611
02:03:34,280 --> 02:03:31,410
with something that's being projected

2612
02:03:37,670 --> 02:03:34,290
into the experience and you're reacting

2613
02:03:39,350 --> 02:03:37,680
to that there are no real Givens in the

2614
02:03:42,200 --> 02:03:39,360
situation other than the fact that a

2615
02:03:44,330 --> 02:03:42,210
very highly unusual event is taking

2616
02:03:47,450 --> 02:03:44,340
place so you know I'm not really sure

2617
02:03:50,870 --> 02:03:47,460
gene had at how to respond to that you

2618
02:03:51,709 --> 02:03:50,880
know in my one case personally

2619
02:03:54,319 --> 02:03:51,719
I was not

2620
02:03:56,209 --> 02:03:54,329
gated with and it's still to this day

2621
02:03:59,029 --> 02:03:56,219
kind of bothers me because boy why would

2622
02:04:01,250 --> 02:03:59,039
they show up and let their presence be

2623
02:04:03,979 --> 02:04:01,260
known and then just look at me like

2624
02:04:04,549 --> 02:04:03,989
blank slates it doesn't make any sense

2625
02:04:07,310 --> 02:04:04,559
to me

2626
02:04:08,839 --> 02:04:07,320
I've been wondering - and this is

2627
02:04:11,709 --> 02:04:08,849
another going back to a question from

2628
02:04:14,120 --> 02:04:11,719
Jim eh who's one of our more recent

2629
02:04:16,669 --> 02:04:14,130
members of the forum here at the Peres

2630
02:04:18,379 --> 02:04:16,679
cast when it comes to spiritual matters

2631
02:04:20,719 --> 02:04:18,389
already is it perhaps wrong to

2632
02:04:22,430 --> 02:04:20,729
understand these stories literally in

2633
02:04:24,410 --> 02:04:22,440
other words when it comes to so-called

2634
02:04:26,450 --> 02:04:24,420
litter lizard people are we really

2635
02:04:29,149 --> 02:04:26,460
supposed to understand that literally or

2636
02:04:32,000 --> 02:04:29,159
as some sort of spiritual archetype or

2637
02:04:34,790 --> 02:04:32,010
some sort of collective symbol in our

2638
02:04:37,549 --> 02:04:34,800
unconscious as he puts it all our young

2639
02:04:38,839 --> 02:04:37,559
Aryan psychology what do you think do

2640
02:04:40,609 --> 02:04:38,849
you think these stories should be

2641
02:04:42,109 --> 02:04:40,619
accepted at face value

2642
02:04:46,219 --> 02:04:42,119
literally or do you think that we're

2643
02:04:48,229 --> 02:04:46,229
being slowly may be programmed with some

2644
02:04:51,049 --> 02:04:48,239
sort of screen images do you think these

2645
02:04:54,700 --> 02:04:51,059
these these events are literal I do

2646
02:04:57,020 --> 02:04:54,710
I didn't encounter people who had

2647
02:04:58,839 --> 02:04:57,030
experiences with lizard people I

2648
02:05:02,149 --> 02:04:58,849
encounter people that talked about

2649
02:05:04,910 --> 02:05:02,159
insect like bodies and forms although

2650
02:05:09,259 --> 02:05:04,920
they would be you know two legs and two

2651
02:05:12,799 --> 02:05:09,269
arms but yes I for me I would I take

2652
02:05:16,459 --> 02:05:12,809
them literally I don't you know I've

2653
02:05:20,209 --> 02:05:16,469
been writing my stories about about the

2654
02:05:22,969 --> 02:05:20,219
Maya and I you know traveled among the

2655
02:05:26,750 --> 02:05:22,979
Maya from Belize all the way through

2656
02:05:31,219 --> 02:05:26,760
Honduras Guatemala and Mexico and most

2657
02:05:34,759 --> 02:05:31,229
of the stories I heard one was extremely

2658
02:05:37,609 --> 02:05:34,769
interesting from this elder Maya man who

2659
02:05:39,770 --> 02:05:37,619
told me well first I heard this story

2660
02:05:43,310 --> 02:05:39,780
about these giants that lived in the

2661
02:05:46,040 --> 02:05:43,320
jungle I was sitting with this elder and

2662
02:05:48,319 --> 02:05:46,050
I asked him about these giants I said

2663
02:05:51,529 --> 02:05:48,329
dude are they still in the jungle he

2664
02:05:54,560 --> 02:05:51,539
says oh yes and he gave me the Maya word

2665
02:05:57,709 --> 02:05:54,570
for these for these creatures and and he

2666
02:06:00,049 --> 02:05:57,719
said they're hairy and he believed and

2667
02:06:02,540 --> 02:06:00,059
he said and we could hear them cry at

2668
02:06:04,210 --> 02:06:02,550
night and he says sometimes they come

2669
02:06:08,140 --> 02:06:04,220
into the village and they still

2670
02:06:11,850 --> 02:06:08,150
women and then he told me but he says

2671
02:06:15,760 --> 02:06:11,860
when it really gets bad is when these

2672
02:06:20,470 --> 02:06:15,770
things come from the sky and they land

2673
02:06:23,470 --> 02:06:20,480
and they hunt these people ISA these

2674
02:06:24,940 --> 02:06:23,480
creatures and they scream and they cry

2675
02:06:28,570 --> 02:06:24,950
as they're chasing them through the

2676
02:06:31,930 --> 02:06:28,580
jungle and and he said that on those

2677
02:06:34,480 --> 02:06:31,940
nights everybody stays inside nobody

2678
02:06:37,630 --> 02:06:34,490
goes out which part of the Mayan world

2679
02:06:41,880 --> 02:06:37,640
was this elder in in other words was he

2680
02:06:47,700 --> 02:06:41,890
in Honduras Guatemala okay sounds like

2681
02:06:50,560 --> 02:06:47,710
really interesting man you know he had

2682
02:06:59,310 --> 02:06:50,570
in fact he saved me from a poisonous

2683
02:07:02,290 --> 02:06:59,320
snake and but he was but he was quite

2684
02:07:05,050 --> 02:07:02,300
and and I heard a number of stories

2685
02:07:08,290 --> 02:07:05,060
about different creatures

2686
02:07:10,750 --> 02:07:08,300
when I traveled what I had set out to do

2687
02:07:14,170 --> 02:07:10,760
originally when I was a teenager I had

2688
02:07:19,320 --> 02:07:14,180
read these books by to 19th century

2689
02:07:22,510 --> 02:07:19,330
explorers John Stevenson and and

2690
02:07:24,640 --> 02:07:22,520
Frederick Catherwood who were basically

2691
02:07:28,000 --> 02:07:24,650
the first white men who had ever really

2692
02:07:31,990 --> 02:07:28,010
documented the Maya civilization and

2693
02:07:36,940 --> 02:07:32,000
they traveled to Italy to different

2694
02:07:42,330 --> 02:07:36,950
trips starting out in what is now

2695
02:07:45,070 --> 02:07:42,340
Honduras and they traveled through

2696
02:07:47,710 --> 02:07:45,080
Central America and up into Mexico

2697
02:07:50,170 --> 02:07:47,720
looking for these ancient cities well I

2698
02:07:52,180 --> 02:07:50,180
wanted to do that all my life I wanted

2699
02:07:55,780 --> 02:07:52,190
to follow in their footsteps and see how

2700
02:07:57,700 --> 02:07:55,790
life had changed but then you know von

2701
02:07:59,860 --> 02:07:57,710
Daniken and some of those books started

2702
02:08:02,830 --> 02:07:59,870
coming out where they were saying that

2703
02:08:04,900 --> 02:08:02,840
Pakal was a polling day astronaut and

2704
02:08:07,630 --> 02:08:04,910
all this kind of stuff and so I got very

2705
02:08:11,170 --> 02:08:07,640
interested in what were the stories of

2706
02:08:14,680 --> 02:08:11,180
the people that lived the Maya people

2707
02:08:16,919 --> 02:08:14,690
and were their stories and where could

2708
02:08:21,509 --> 02:08:16,929
he come up with this kind of

2709
02:08:23,699 --> 02:08:21,519
thing and so I decided that along with

2710
02:08:27,330 --> 02:08:23,709
following in the footsteps of Stevens

2711
02:08:30,060 --> 02:08:27,340
and Catherwood I was going to find out

2712
02:08:32,580 --> 02:08:30,070
for myself if there was any substance to

2713
02:08:36,060 --> 02:08:32,590
these stories you know it was a

2714
02:08:39,540 --> 02:08:36,070
fascinating fascinating four years I've

2715
02:08:42,419 --> 02:08:39,550
spent trekking along and listening to

2716
02:08:45,209 --> 02:08:42,429
stories that were we're really quite

2717
02:08:47,160 --> 02:08:45,219
remarkable and that that will be the

2718
02:08:51,120 --> 02:08:47,170
topic of my next book

2719
02:08:53,699 --> 02:08:51,130
well again again I want to have a any

2720
02:08:56,250 --> 02:08:53,709
evidence that the scientific evidence I

2721
02:09:00,199 --> 02:08:56,260
just will have the stories as they were

2722
02:09:04,729 --> 02:09:00,209
told to me but this this man believed

2723
02:09:07,830 --> 02:09:04,739
that these creatures these Harries

2724
02:09:11,399 --> 02:09:07,840
bigfoot-like creatures were actually

2725
02:09:13,799 --> 02:09:11,409
brought to the jungle by the men from

2726
02:09:16,529 --> 02:09:13,809
the stars and that they came back to

2727
02:09:19,080 --> 02:09:16,539
check on them wow that's that's that's

2728
02:09:23,219 --> 02:09:19,090
an interesting twist we we just had on

2729
02:09:25,969 --> 02:09:23,229
our last show Stan Gordon who has spent

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the last 50 years investigating

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hard-boiled scientific investigation as

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is as in the field as possible of

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02:09:37,859 --> 02:09:34,320
unusual events that occur in

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Pennsylvania and some of his most

2735
02:09:42,899 --> 02:09:40,239
compelling cases over the decades has

2736
02:09:46,379 --> 02:09:42,909
been cases a Bigfoot scene in

2737
02:09:48,600 --> 02:09:46,389
conjunction with with lighted craft yeah

2738
02:09:51,750 --> 02:09:48,610
I didn't know that but that's what he

2739
02:09:53,959 --> 02:09:51,760
told me I was really an you know I mean

2740
02:09:57,449 --> 02:09:53,969
he went into quite a bit of detail about

2741
02:09:59,790 --> 02:09:57,459
about what happened and the fear of the

2742
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people and how people would not venture

2743
02:10:09,239 --> 02:10:04,449
out into the jungle at night for fear

2744
02:10:12,299 --> 02:10:09,249
that that these creatures from the stars

2745
02:10:15,750 --> 02:10:12,309
would come back and and and he said that

2746
02:10:17,279 --> 02:10:15,760
they always would howl and cry the guys

2747
02:10:18,810 --> 02:10:17,289
did the break here and will continue the

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howling and crying we'll have more

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howling and crying and lots more to come

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for you hi this is Nate pope you're

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listening to the parrot rock that is not

2848
02:14:51,680 --> 02:14:50,370
howling and crying but you know chris

2849
02:14:53,360 --> 02:14:51,690
has a different way of looking at things

2850
02:14:57,890 --> 02:14:53,370
so that that brings up a very

2851
02:15:03,980 --> 02:15:01,460
yeah just as recently as November but

2852
02:15:06,020 --> 02:15:03,990
but this brings me up to a point that

2853
02:15:08,810 --> 02:15:06,030
that I kind of tried to raise earlier

2854
02:15:11,780 --> 02:15:08,820
and that is the ultra terrestrial or the

2855
02:15:15,530 --> 02:15:11,790
crypto terrestrial you know most people

2856
02:15:17,570 --> 02:15:15,540
that are into Bigfoot and and and trying

2857
02:15:20,870 --> 02:15:17,580
to document the existence of Bigfoot I

2858
02:15:24,140 --> 02:15:20,880
think 99% of them consider them to be

2859
02:15:27,410 --> 02:15:24,150
terrestrial creatures that somehow

2860
02:15:30,110 --> 02:15:27,420
evolved alongside humanity here on this

2861
02:15:33,710 --> 02:15:30,120
planet and you're suggesting this mayan

2862
02:15:35,210 --> 02:15:33,720
elder is saying or yours this mine elder

2863
02:15:37,790 --> 02:15:35,220
is suggesting that these these creatures

2864
02:15:39,940 --> 02:15:37,800
were introduced here from somewhere else

2865
02:15:43,100 --> 02:15:39,950
now this brings up a very interesting

2866
02:15:46,540 --> 02:15:43,110
sort of a conflict and in viewpoints

2867
02:15:48,950 --> 02:15:46,550
here out of the nine hundred witnesses

2868
02:15:51,830 --> 02:15:48,960
that you talked to did anyone talk about

2869
02:15:55,660 --> 02:15:51,840
Bigfoot did anyone talk about creatures

2870
02:15:57,920 --> 02:15:55,670
that have always existed here that maybe

2871
02:16:00,890 --> 02:15:57,930
evolved into some sort of intelligent

2872
02:16:02,720 --> 02:16:00,900
species so could we possibly be dealing

2873
02:16:05,250 --> 02:16:02,730
with something that is very terrestrial

2874
02:16:09,390 --> 02:16:05,260
even more terrestrial than we are

2875
02:16:13,440 --> 02:16:09,400
well you know I did not interview anyone

2876
02:16:18,750 --> 02:16:13,450
in in the United States or Alaska or

2877
02:16:21,650 --> 02:16:18,760
Hawaii who who spoke of Bigfoot only but

2878
02:16:25,440 --> 02:16:21,660
then I wasn't on reservations where

2879
02:16:28,710 --> 02:16:25,450
Bigfoot has been been reported you know

2880
02:16:30,660 --> 02:16:28,720
like in a in the up in the north north

2881
02:16:34,890 --> 02:16:30,670
western part of the United States or in

2882
02:16:42,919 --> 02:16:34,900
Canada where you hear more it's been

2883
02:16:45,750 --> 02:16:42,929
reported on the Navajo Reservation

2884
02:16:48,209 --> 02:16:45,760
reported in 40 years I have no knowledge

2885
02:16:50,879 --> 02:16:48,219
of that all I know is none of the people

2886
02:16:53,310 --> 02:16:50,889
that I've talked to except when I got

2887
02:16:55,740 --> 02:16:53,320
down into the Maya country did I hear

2888
02:16:57,480 --> 02:16:55,750
about the Bigfoot this is the first time

2889
02:17:00,509 --> 02:16:57,490
I've ever heard Bigfoot mentioned from

2890
02:17:05,089 --> 02:17:00,519
the jungle well and they didn't they

2891
02:17:09,509 --> 02:17:05,099
said they he told me he might be like

2892
02:17:11,669 --> 02:17:09,519
see this elder had been and spent some

2893
02:17:15,600 --> 02:17:11,679
of his early years in the United States

2894
02:17:18,629 --> 02:17:15,610
and he said it would be similar to maybe

2895
02:17:24,000 --> 02:17:18,639
your Bigfoot but he said this one is law

2896
02:17:27,419 --> 02:17:24,010
has long hairy he has long hair they

2897
02:17:29,970 --> 02:17:27,429
made a big big well Bigfoot they are

2898
02:17:33,330 --> 02:17:29,980
often described that way the only hairy

2899
02:17:35,220 --> 02:17:33,340
of paranormal type beans that I've heard

2900
02:17:40,620 --> 02:17:35,230
of from the Mayan world of the Alexie's

2901
02:17:42,570 --> 02:17:40,630
the small Dwarfs they're there the

2902
02:17:45,030 --> 02:17:42,580
legend is that the the small hairy

2903
02:17:48,120 --> 02:17:45,040
dwarves actually built the temple of the

2904
02:17:51,839 --> 02:17:48,130
magician overnight right in one single

2905
02:17:54,060 --> 02:17:51,849
night I'm very familiar with that too

2906
02:17:56,100 --> 02:17:54,070
and if you you know as you travel

2907
02:17:58,350 --> 02:17:56,110
throughout throughout Maya country

2908
02:18:02,750 --> 02:17:58,360
you'll find these little tiny doors in

2909
02:18:05,430 --> 02:18:02,760
some of them some of the temples and

2910
02:18:09,089 --> 02:18:05,440
people will tell you that that's for the

2911
02:18:14,100 --> 02:18:09,099
Aleutians because that's where they come

2912
02:18:17,129 --> 02:18:14,110
and go so you know I'm very familiar

2913
02:18:19,050 --> 02:18:17,139
with them but they're small and hairy

2914
02:18:21,991 --> 02:18:19,060
you're talking about hairy giants

2915
02:18:24,121 --> 02:18:22,001
I've never heard I'm racking my brain to

2916
02:18:26,840 --> 02:18:24,131
try to try to recall if I've ever heard

2917
02:18:30,480 --> 02:18:26,850
of of a bigfoot-type creature being

2918
02:18:33,031 --> 02:18:30,490
reported or even legends of them in the

2919
02:18:35,730 --> 02:18:33,041
in the Central American and southern

2920
02:18:37,800 --> 02:18:35,740
Mexican jungles I can't now I'm thinking

2921
02:18:39,270 --> 02:18:37,810
about it I'm I'm a scratching my head

2922
02:18:41,161 --> 02:18:39,280
going the wah how come I haven't heard

2923
02:18:43,470 --> 02:18:41,171
of of these types of creatures and yet

2924
02:18:46,650 --> 02:18:43,480
here we have an elder who talks about

2925
02:18:47,400 --> 02:18:46,660
them being introduced by you know you

2926
02:18:50,310 --> 02:18:47,410
know quote-unquote

2927
02:18:52,581 --> 02:18:50,320
you know star people I think for lack of

2928
02:18:55,411 --> 02:18:52,591
a better term and that they actually

2929
02:18:59,070 --> 02:18:55,421
check on them and and they moan and

2930
02:19:02,300 --> 02:18:59,080
groan and howl in the from being chased

2931
02:19:06,331 --> 02:19:02,310
through the jungle by by UFOs this is

2932
02:19:09,800 --> 02:19:06,341
pretty compelling stuff I'd love to you

2933
02:19:12,960 --> 02:19:09,810
know what I'll do Christmas I have I

2934
02:19:15,420 --> 02:19:12,970
have the name he gave me of what they

2935
02:19:20,100 --> 02:19:15,430
call them and I'll send that to you

2936
02:19:28,230 --> 02:19:20,110
would you like that because I Maya it's

2937
02:19:30,000 --> 02:19:28,240
a Mayan word right yeah I'd love to get

2938
02:19:32,310 --> 02:19:30,010
that because I can help you with a

2939
02:19:34,610 --> 02:19:32,320
little bit of research you know I do

2940
02:19:37,380 --> 02:19:34,620
have you know a pretty good network of

2941
02:19:39,210 --> 02:19:37,390
sources of open-minded scientists and

2942
02:19:41,760 --> 02:19:39,220
others down in that part of the world I

2943
02:19:43,050 --> 02:19:41,770
would really love to do a little bit

2944
02:19:45,451 --> 02:19:43,060
more digging on this this is really

2945
02:19:53,070 --> 02:19:45,461
fascinating well it was fascinating to

2946
02:19:57,031 --> 02:19:53,080
me because I had I had been told by my

2947
02:19:59,520 --> 02:19:57,041
driver as we were going going we were

2948
02:20:02,400 --> 02:19:59,530
traveling this mountain roads in the

2949
02:20:07,261 --> 02:20:02,410
jungle and and we were headed for Mexico

2950
02:20:11,581 --> 02:20:07,271
and he said he began telling me these

2951
02:20:17,881 --> 02:20:11,591
stories about these giants that once

2952
02:20:23,791 --> 02:20:17,891
lived in the jungle and he said and they

2953
02:20:25,951 --> 02:20:23,801
had white jaguars as their companions

2954
02:20:30,360 --> 02:20:25,961
well you know I've never heard of a

2955
02:20:33,421 --> 02:20:30,370
white Jaguar so so he began telling me

2956
02:20:36,331 --> 02:20:33,431
you know that how unlucky it was if you

2957
02:20:39,871 --> 02:20:36,341
ever saw one and he said and they found

2958
02:20:42,570 --> 02:20:39,881
bones of these giants and I said well

2959
02:20:45,091 --> 02:20:42,580
are you sure they weren't Mastodon bones

2960
02:20:46,921 --> 02:20:45,101
because I know that mastodons were

2961
02:20:49,890 --> 02:20:46,931
supposed to have lived in this part of

2962
02:20:54,720 --> 02:20:49,900
Guatemala and he said well he said

2963
02:20:57,631 --> 02:20:54,730
there's a French archaeologist over the

2964
02:20:59,041 --> 02:20:57,641
hill there he says who who says that

2965
02:21:03,051 --> 02:20:59,051
that's what they are but he says the

2966
02:21:05,461 --> 02:21:03,061
people know differently and that's what

2967
02:21:08,581 --> 02:21:05,471
it's interesting you should bring up

2968
02:21:11,610 --> 02:21:08,591
Giants because we have a pretty

2969
02:21:15,301 --> 02:21:11,620
interesting body of evidence that goes

2970
02:21:18,451 --> 02:21:15,311
back into even the late 18th century and

2971
02:21:21,291 --> 02:21:18,461
early 19th century about giants that

2972
02:21:24,930 --> 02:21:21,301
supposedly Co inhabited North America

2973
02:21:27,680 --> 02:21:24,940
with Indian population so of course the

2974
02:21:31,081 --> 02:21:27,690
red-haired Giants found in the Mojave

2975
02:21:33,930 --> 02:21:31,091
some of the mounds in the Ohio River

2976
02:21:37,560 --> 02:21:33,940
Valley area supposedly contain you know

2977
02:21:41,671 --> 02:21:37,570
some sort of remains of beans that were

2978
02:21:44,461 --> 02:21:41,681
eight and even taller feet tall in your

2979
02:21:48,331 --> 02:21:44,471
research of Native American or rather

2980
02:21:51,541 --> 02:21:48,341
American Indian traditions what do the

2981
02:21:54,910 --> 02:21:51,551
Indians say about a race of giants that

2982
02:22:00,320 --> 02:21:54,920
may have lived here in ancient times

2983
02:22:04,460 --> 02:22:00,330
you know I came across a couple of

2984
02:22:08,030 --> 02:22:04,470
stories about redheaded Giants that

2985
02:22:12,740 --> 02:22:08,040
lived in the southwest and they lived in

2986
02:22:15,070 --> 02:22:12,750
caves and the Indian tribe finally

2987
02:22:18,559 --> 02:22:15,080
succeeded in killing all of them and

2988
02:22:20,389 --> 02:22:18,569
that is a part of their historical

2989
02:22:27,250 --> 02:22:20,399
record that they were telling me that

2990
02:22:30,769 --> 02:22:27,260
that that that this occurred I haven't

2991
02:22:36,920 --> 02:22:30,779
heard one other legend that was told

2992
02:22:41,599 --> 02:22:36,930
about a tribe they said in in the old

2993
02:22:45,290 --> 02:22:41,609
days we lived in Mexico and we crossed

2994
02:22:49,790 --> 02:22:45,300
the Great River and when we crossed a

2995
02:22:56,149 --> 02:22:49,800
great liver there was a tribe of giants

2996
02:23:03,250 --> 02:22:56,159
and they ate people and we had to be

2997
02:23:11,300 --> 02:23:06,410
to get into what is now the United

2998
02:23:15,889 --> 02:23:11,310
States so I did run on to a few of those

2999
02:23:19,760 --> 02:23:15,899
but I ran I did run onto it in in a

3000
02:23:22,010 --> 02:23:19,770
Central American and in Mexico stories

3001
02:23:25,820 --> 02:23:22,020
of giants I mean this was an old story

3002
02:23:29,090 --> 02:23:25,830
that this driver was telling me yeah you

3003
02:23:31,550 --> 02:23:29,100
know Zion a nice white Jaguar you know

3004
02:23:33,530 --> 02:23:31,560
something that week you know I meant to

3005
02:23:35,719 --> 02:23:33,540
mention this before and ask you about

3006
02:23:37,580 --> 02:23:35,729
this before but but you you know you

3007
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have a doctorate in in in what

3008
02:23:43,729 --> 02:23:41,220
educational what is your doctor then

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02:23:45,620 --> 02:23:43,739
leadership educational leadership

3010
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what was your dissertation on I meant to

3011
02:23:48,889 --> 02:23:47,069
ask you this before what

3012
02:23:52,550 --> 02:23:48,899
what was your doctoral dissertation

3013
02:24:01,930 --> 02:23:52,560
subject my doctoral dissertation looked

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at at the I looked at the size of school

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and whether once the size of school

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determined whether a student would

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graduate from university in four years

3018
02:24:15,640 --> 02:24:13,250
we'll get into much more of these

3019
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discussions in our final segment with

3020
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our d6 killer Clark with Gene and Kris

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[Music]

3129
02:29:01,710 --> 02:28:59,070
our final segment ten minutes or so with

3130
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our t6 killer Clark writing a book about

3131
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encounters with start people with gene

3132
02:29:07,470 --> 02:29:05,141
and Chris Chris you have some more

3133
02:29:10,860 --> 02:29:07,480
questions I gather from our audience I

3134
02:29:13,200 --> 02:29:10,870
do and in my my prior question which we

3135
02:29:16,200 --> 02:29:13,210
forgot to ask at the top of the show

3136
02:29:19,140 --> 02:29:16,210
about her doctoral dissertation and this

3137
02:29:22,290 --> 02:29:19,150
is from Jimmy H and he sa since you're

3138
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an academic he imagines you've been

3139
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schooled in how to present a solid

3140
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argument based on scholarly research

3141
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methods in your opinion when it comes to

3142
02:29:33,030 --> 02:29:30,700
the paranormal and paranormal topics is

3143
02:29:36,750 --> 02:29:33,040
it just okay to suspend our disbelief

3144
02:29:39,210 --> 02:29:36,760
and forego these academic methods in

3145
02:29:41,790 --> 02:29:39,220
your case I almost answered the question

3146
02:29:44,430 --> 02:29:41,800
for you you're saying yes you can but

3147
02:29:46,381 --> 02:29:44,440
how does how do we convince the

3148
02:29:48,900 --> 02:29:46,391
scientific community in the academic

3149
02:29:51,720 --> 02:29:48,910
community that these are viable subjects

3150
02:29:55,290 --> 02:29:51,730
that deserve more mainstream academic

3151
02:29:57,150 --> 02:29:55,300
attention I guess you know when I set

3152
02:30:02,970 --> 02:29:57,160
out to write this book I didn't set out

3153
02:30:08,551 --> 02:30:02,980
to answer skeptics or critics I set out

3154
02:30:12,690 --> 02:30:08,561
to tell a story and I did it because I

3155
02:30:18,810 --> 02:30:12,700
was asked by some travel women to do it

3156
02:30:21,570 --> 02:30:18,820
I didn't think in terms of how it would

3157
02:30:29,910 --> 02:30:21,580
be viewed in terms of scientific

3158
02:30:34,230 --> 02:30:29,920
evidence I mean if we like when people

3159
02:30:35,091 --> 02:30:34,240
have been hypnotized and they tell us a

3160
02:30:38,551 --> 02:30:35,101
story

3161
02:30:41,250 --> 02:30:38,561
does anyone question that they're there

3162
02:30:43,500 --> 02:30:41,260
they are accurate

3163
02:30:47,550 --> 02:30:43,510
or that they're just telling a story I

3164
02:30:51,149 --> 02:30:47,560
mean it's really absolutely the same

3165
02:30:54,149 --> 02:30:51,159
thing I told the stories that people

3166
02:30:56,399 --> 02:30:54,159
told to me whether people want to

3167
02:30:58,290 --> 02:30:56,409
believe it or they don't want to believe

3168
02:31:03,899 --> 02:30:58,300
that if they want to discount it or

3169
02:31:09,569 --> 02:31:03,909
criticize it I did what I set out to do

3170
02:31:12,149 --> 02:31:09,579
and that's it and you know I people can

3171
02:31:14,250 --> 02:31:12,159
analyze it all they want they can they

3172
02:31:16,139 --> 02:31:14,260
can discount if they can criticize it

3173
02:31:19,319 --> 02:31:16,149
but I told the stories as they were told

3174
02:31:22,290 --> 02:31:19,329
to me that's it you know I know this is

3175
02:31:25,139 --> 02:31:22,300
really difficult this is really

3176
02:31:27,540 --> 02:31:25,149
difficult territory to tread upon

3177
02:31:33,139 --> 02:31:27,550
because you know and I been there I I

3178
02:31:36,689 --> 02:31:33,149
know boy if there I was told some

3179
02:31:39,929 --> 02:31:36,699
accounts that I really believed and I

3180
02:31:43,620 --> 02:31:39,939
got corroboration of these accounts but

3181
02:31:45,779 --> 02:31:43,630
in in several cases I was told not only

3182
02:31:48,149 --> 02:31:45,789
by the primary witness but by the

3183
02:31:51,319 --> 02:31:48,159
supporting witnesses that I actually dug

3184
02:31:55,590 --> 02:31:51,329
up that I was not allowed to ever

3185
02:31:57,989 --> 02:31:55,600
publicly state the details of a

3186
02:32:00,870 --> 02:31:57,999
particular case not even allude to the

3187
02:32:03,960 --> 02:32:00,880
fact that it happened and to this day

3188
02:32:06,920 --> 02:32:03,970
I'm I'm really kind of bummed out

3189
02:32:10,380 --> 02:32:06,930
because there was some really you know

3190
02:32:14,160 --> 02:32:10,390
wonderful very believable stories that I

3191
02:32:16,260 --> 02:32:14,170
was told one actually that had some

3192
02:32:19,200 --> 02:32:16,270
physical trace evidence involved then I

3193
02:32:21,630 --> 02:32:19,210
absolutely but not it I haven't been

3194
02:32:26,609 --> 02:32:21,640
allowed to to run with and you know I

3195
02:32:28,529 --> 02:32:26,619
can feel that you're in one sense you're

3196
02:32:32,239 --> 02:32:28,539
in the same boat that that I've been in

3197
02:32:36,059 --> 02:32:32,249
when you're asked to honor anonymity and

3198
02:32:38,819 --> 02:32:36,069
you agree to do that you have handcuffs

3199
02:32:40,739 --> 02:32:38,829
on but I'm sure you understand RT that

3200
02:32:42,239 --> 02:32:40,749
there's gonna be a lot of people out

3201
02:32:44,969 --> 02:32:42,249
there taking potshots saying well

3202
02:32:48,359 --> 02:32:44,979
anybody can you know come up with a

3203
02:32:51,739 --> 02:32:48,369
bunch of stories with anonymous sources

3204
02:32:52,969 --> 02:32:51,749
and and kind of folklore --is-- sounding

3205
02:32:54,979 --> 02:32:52,979
accounts

3206
02:32:56,420 --> 02:32:54,989
someone mentioned to me that read your

3207
02:32:59,029 --> 02:32:56,430
book it seems like every time you sit

3208
02:33:01,639 --> 02:32:59,039
down it's very similar the you know

3209
02:33:05,979 --> 02:33:01,649
people order coffee and then you have

3210
02:33:10,370 --> 02:33:08,750
the details seem very consistent

3211
02:33:12,559 --> 02:33:10,380
throughout it now I've been out there

3212
02:33:14,269 --> 02:33:12,569
I've interview people and I know what

3213
02:33:16,760 --> 02:33:14,279
it's like I mean I interviewed that you

3214
02:33:19,700 --> 02:33:16,770
go to a Native American home the first

3215
02:33:23,989 --> 02:33:19,710
thing they're going to ask you is would

3216
02:33:26,599 --> 02:33:23,999
you like a cup of coffee well never

3217
02:33:28,729 --> 02:33:26,609
drank as much coffee in my life as I

3218
02:33:30,920 --> 02:33:28,739
drank the six hours I interviewed the

3219
02:33:34,189 --> 02:33:30,930
head of the Department of Public Safety

3220
02:33:36,830 --> 02:33:34,199
for the Hickory Apache I drank I mean I

3221
02:33:39,529 --> 02:33:36,840
must have been so I mean I was grinding

3222
02:33:43,219 --> 02:33:39,539
my teeth I was wound up I couldn't sleep

3223
02:33:45,500 --> 02:33:43,229
the two days I we literally we sat there

3224
02:33:47,599 --> 02:33:45,510
for six hours drinking coffee and I'd I

3225
02:33:50,019 --> 02:33:47,609
think I've had an aversion of coffee

3226
02:33:57,340 --> 02:33:50,029
ever since then and I'm not joking that

3227
02:34:02,960 --> 02:33:59,510
tractors out there that are gonna say

3228
02:34:06,439 --> 02:34:02,970
look you know this book is just a bunch

3229
02:34:09,380 --> 02:34:06,449
of stories what exactly are you trying

3230
02:34:11,479 --> 02:34:09,390
to accomplish with putting together all

3231
02:34:14,420 --> 02:34:11,489
these anonymously

3232
02:34:17,870 --> 02:34:14,430
you know stated stories you know what is

3233
02:34:19,969 --> 02:34:17,880
your motivation to actually release this

3234
02:34:23,840 --> 02:34:19,979
book why why do you think people have a

3235
02:34:28,670 --> 02:34:23,850
need to know these stories I think

3236
02:34:32,809 --> 02:34:28,680
because number one they are stories that

3237
02:34:37,880 --> 02:34:32,819
are told without hypnotism without

3238
02:34:42,160 --> 02:34:37,890
dreaming without channeling number two I

3239
02:34:46,910 --> 02:34:42,170
think the stories are unique and honest

3240
02:34:49,340 --> 02:34:46,920
and forthcoming and that's the reason I

3241
02:34:51,080 --> 02:34:49,350
wrote the book you're assuming basically

3242
02:34:54,050 --> 02:34:51,090
then these people have no motive just to

3243
02:34:56,960 --> 02:34:54,060
tell a story they wouldn't believe no

3244
02:34:58,849 --> 02:34:56,970
money from it there's no advantage

3245
02:35:02,359 --> 02:34:58,859
they're not going to be on a speaking

3246
02:35:04,399 --> 02:35:02,369
circuit someplace well I think you know

3247
02:35:05,630 --> 02:35:04,409
that that some people might be motivated

3248
02:35:06,360 --> 02:35:05,640
by money

3249
02:35:11,370 --> 02:35:06,370
my

3250
02:35:14,910 --> 02:35:11,380
saying now that that was part of what I

3251
02:35:17,390 --> 02:35:14,920
encountered now these particular stories

3252
02:35:22,470 --> 02:35:17,400
do they tell them to their friends

3253
02:35:23,330 --> 02:35:22,480
sometimes but not it wasn't a common

3254
02:35:26,160 --> 02:35:23,340
occurrence

3255
02:35:30,080 --> 02:35:26,170
sometimes they shared them with family

3256
02:35:33,511 --> 02:35:30,090
and family has come to not talk about it

3257
02:35:36,390 --> 02:35:33,521
sometimes they had a couple occasions

3258
02:35:41,930 --> 02:35:36,400
where they went to medicine men and the

3259
02:35:44,761 --> 02:35:41,940
medicine men said don't talk about it so

3260
02:35:47,520 --> 02:35:44,771
so they didn't listen to the doctor they

3261
02:35:51,180 --> 02:35:47,530
told it anyway the same the medicine men

3262
02:35:53,011 --> 02:35:51,190
tell the story I'm saying the medicine

3263
02:35:56,130 --> 02:35:53,021
men tell these people don't talk about

3264
02:35:57,990 --> 02:35:56,140
this but they did to you so as is common

3265
02:35:59,970 --> 02:35:58,000
among many people when they talk to

3266
02:36:02,640 --> 02:35:59,980
their doctors and their doctors give

3267
02:36:05,310 --> 02:36:02,650
them some level of advice well they

3268
02:36:08,190 --> 02:36:05,320
ignored that advice and they decided to

3269
02:36:12,390 --> 02:36:08,200
tell you about what had happened to them

3270
02:36:15,301 --> 02:36:12,400
anyway okay I understand that yes they

3271
02:36:17,160 --> 02:36:15,311
did because they trusted me and they

3272
02:36:20,370 --> 02:36:17,170
knew that I would never reveal who they

3273
02:36:22,440 --> 02:36:20,380
were no no see that was the thing that

3274
02:36:26,730 --> 02:36:22,450
was important to them is that they did

3275
02:36:28,801 --> 02:36:26,740
that they trusted their family so they

3276
02:36:30,870 --> 02:36:28,811
could tell their family they trusted a

3277
02:36:35,660 --> 02:36:30,880
friend they could tell their friend they

3278
02:36:38,880 --> 02:36:35,670
trusted me and they told me so you know

3279
02:36:41,490 --> 02:36:38,890
but when they meant don't talk about it

3280
02:36:45,390 --> 02:36:41,500
don't go public with it don't go out and

3281
02:36:49,740 --> 02:36:45,400
spread the word or call up the National

3282
02:36:54,870 --> 02:36:49,750
Enquirer or you know you or somebody

3283
02:36:56,730 --> 02:36:54,880
else you know just keep it quiet what do

3284
02:36:57,810 --> 02:36:56,740
you plan to do next more books more

3285
02:37:01,020 --> 02:36:57,820
stories to tell

3286
02:37:06,930 --> 02:37:01,030
well what I'm working on now is about my

3287
02:37:10,950 --> 02:37:06,940
travels in in the Maya world and the

3288
02:37:12,810 --> 02:37:10,960
stories that I was told there okay so

3289
02:37:16,410 --> 02:37:12,820
there's a lot of stories down there - oh

3290
02:37:19,979 --> 02:37:16,420
yeah well if you have been to LA vientos

3291
02:37:22,649 --> 02:37:19,989
where Columbia to--and Mexico

3292
02:37:24,659 --> 02:37:22,659
patek no I haven't actually that's

3293
02:37:27,689 --> 02:37:24,669
that's on my short list the places to

3294
02:37:30,469 --> 02:37:27,699
visit including of also the Rio Beck

3295
02:37:35,279 --> 02:37:30,479
region that's just now really becoming

3296
02:37:37,319 --> 02:37:35,289
explored and opened up but one of the

3297
02:37:39,389 --> 02:37:37,329
things that the arrogant to Lambie atoh

3298
02:37:42,659 --> 02:37:39,399
is one of the most interesting places

3299
02:37:46,859 --> 02:37:42,669
you will ever visit because they have a

3300
02:37:51,090 --> 02:37:46,869
story down there about a man's that came

3301
02:37:54,139 --> 02:37:51,100
from the sky on a ray and that he stood

3302
02:37:57,989 --> 02:37:54,149
on this rock in the center of town and

3303
02:38:03,899 --> 02:37:57,999
then they go on to tell you that this

3304
02:38:07,429 --> 02:38:03,909
man he married village woman and he

3305
02:38:10,710 --> 02:38:07,439
taught the people many many things and

3306
02:38:14,729 --> 02:38:10,720
he was able to perform all of these

3307
02:38:18,840 --> 02:38:14,739
miraculous things and they had a son and

3308
02:38:21,239 --> 02:38:18,850
when the son married and took a wife he

3309
02:38:24,479 --> 02:38:21,249
stepped down from being the leader of

3310
02:38:28,349 --> 02:38:24,489
the village went back to the center of

3311
02:38:31,499 --> 02:38:28,359
town sit on this rock and array from the

3312
02:38:33,449 --> 02:38:31,509
sky came down and took him away and he

3313
02:38:37,159 --> 02:38:33,459
was never seen again sounds just like

3314
02:38:41,039 --> 02:38:37,169
star trek boy beam me up Scotty I cannot

3315
02:38:44,159 --> 02:38:41,049
do that you can catch Chris O'Brien at

3316
02:38:47,789 --> 02:38:44,169
our strange planet calm you can catch us

3317
02:38:49,439 --> 02:38:47,799
at the para cast calm rd6 killer Clark

3318
02:38:56,800 --> 02:38:49,449
thanks for joining us on the power cast

3319
02:39:02,830 --> 02:38:59,920
the para cast featuring Jean Steinberg

3320
02:39:05,819 --> 02:39:02,840
and Christopher o'brien is a copyrighted

3321
02:39:09,550 --> 02:39:05,829
presentation of making the impossible

3322
02:39:14,520 --> 02:39:09,560
Incorporated tune in next week for a new